This is Edsel Ford's First Mustang(Jan 04, 2014)I was a valet for 6 weeks when I was 16. The safety for customers was terrible.
A lot of cars left unlocked keys in... Worse still, no real security and "managers" would take cars for joyrides. I 86'd that scene quick. No thanks. Won't use valet now
Great Expectations: Will the New Mustang Meet Them?(Jan 03, 2014)The 03 cobra owner in me says wow, this is a 5 star resort, the Infiniti owner in me says this is very posh and comfortable but could be swankier.
All told, it's great without being austere IMO.
All the tech gadgets will be cool, h/ac seats? Nice.
Great Expectations: Will the New Mustang Meet Them?(Jan 03, 2014)But that's a video game. My buddy has an rs5 and his brother a tuned, pulley, exhaust s5, both are wicked quick and have plenty of pull in most any gear.
In real life, 350lb/ft of torque gets you moving quick, in forza, not so much haha
Great Expectations: Will the New Mustang Meet Them?(Jan 03, 2014)Haha, I built up an s5 or rs5 with a rwd swap in forza 5 on December 5th right after they revealed the s550 mustang because I thought it was the closest looking while being irs and well suspended in that game haha. The 4.2L v8 had weak torque though
Great Expectations: Will the New Mustang Meet Them?(Jan 03, 2014)I notice sublt things every time I scope these pics.
Just noticed the flat aero aids perpendicular to the side skirt rocker panels. I bet this this is very stable at speed.
The widened track plus aero inclusions probably keep it solidly planted
Great Expectations: Will the New Mustang Meet Them?(Jan 03, 2014)I think high end for sure, my mind went Jag/Aston but I could see a little German in the silhouette for sure.
I want to see it in person, pics always lie until you've seen the car in person to know the actual proportions, then pics look even better
Great Expectations: Will the New Mustang Meet Them?(Jan 03, 2014)For comparison,
2013 boss 302 v8 puts down 390-400whp, and runs 11.9's on drag radials at 3600lbs.
3850lbs 2013 gt500 makes 590whp, 11.5's
A 500whp turbo car with all that torque weighing in at 3350lbs with drag radials would fly to easy 10's.
Great Expectations: Will the New Mustang Meet Them?(Jan 03, 2014)$1400 being only for a precision or comp dbb or tbb t3 60/62mm blanketed ceramic snail with water/oil cooling. The fuel, spark, cooling, basic bolt ons with a tune and meth could all be done for an additional 8,600 very easily with professional instal
Great Expectations: Will the New Mustang Meet Them?(Jan 03, 2014)I bet a modestly worked over 2.3 will make 400whp with bolt ons, tune meth and race gas.
If not, a simple turbo upgrade (~$1400 on a high) will easily get it to 500whp with fuel, spark, cooling and possibly head mods.
$10k in mods, easy 10's 30mpg
Great Expectations: Will the New Mustang Meet Them?(Jan 03, 2014)Seeing that it's gonna be a $30~k car, I doubt you'll see em rices out, you might see em tuned up with downpipe, tune and so on but that's not rice.
Rice is stickers, fake useless spoiler, cheap race seats, crappy big sub stereo, purple walmart tint
Great Expectations: Will the New Mustang Meet Them?(Jan 03, 2014)I love the sn95 99-04's (03 cobras!) that tons hate on so for me this is great. I also love the 11-13's, and liked the 05-10's a good bit but not as much.
For me, they nailed it, I feel bad for mustang faithful that don't feel acknowledged by ford.
Great Expectations: Will the New Mustang Meet Them?(Jan 03, 2014)my point is although ford used to be a lackluster brand save for the mustang and trucks, it's now quite the thorough bred stable of vehicles.
-C-max is 95% Prius mpg, 200% nicer, $3k less
-plasma cylinder liner tech
Great Expectations: Will the New Mustang Meet Them?(Jan 03, 2014)@Franklin
Only good ford product?
Compare these 2013/2014 models within their class and tell me an honest unbiased review.
Etc. all great
Ford GT with Just 11 Miles on the Clock Up for Grabs(Dec 31, 2013)03 cobra crate motor is $8-12,000 but people have gotten 1200whp out of them with just gaskets, head studs fuel, spark and boost.
No 2jz, rb2?, ls?, etc etc engine can lay claim to that.
Crazier still, ford gt 5.4's have hit 1800 stock internals.
Ford GT with Just 11 Miles on the Clock Up for Grabs(Dec 31, 2013)No problem Ryan, the same misconception exists with most of the hi po ford modulars. A lot of people also think that a 4.6 4v out of a mercury is as strong as a 4.6 4v out of an 03 cobra.
The teksid aluminum block is stronger, Internals arent.
Ford GT with Just 11 Miles on the Clock Up for Grabs(Dec 31, 2013)Bolt on ford gt's still bring all the bucks because it's easy to revert to stock.
Now some modded twin turbo kitchen sink upgraded ford gt will not hold near as good of value.
That said, owners have driven, lightly modded and sold gt's for huge gain
Ford GT with Just 11 Miles on the Clock Up for Grabs(Dec 31, 2013)The ford gt engine cost about $30,000+ through ford or tune shops.
The lightning engine costs about $5000.
Fgt heads flow 315/260cfm.
L heads flow way less.
Fgt aluminum block has 65+ internal differences to a lightning block jacket to crank
Ford GT with Just 11 Miles on the Clock Up for Grabs(Dec 31, 2013)Thanks to top gear, the world is wrongfully informed.
This 5.4 is aluminum, 4v, hand built, and can handle 1500whp on stock internals simply by adding turbos and fuel/spark.
The lightning was iron, 2v, production line, and maybe 600whp limit stock.
Ford GT with Just 11 Miles on the Clock Up for Grabs(Dec 31, 2013)$2500 in tires, a pulley, shorter belt, cai, exhaust and dyno tune.
I'm comparing modded gt vs stock zr1/acr/ta because 5-8 years of extra development went into those; + those now cost $125-150k, same as 05 gt new, but lose $ value, gt gains value
Ford GT with Just 11 Miles on the Clock Up for Grabs(Dec 31, 2013)In 05 this was epic in price:performance.
Not hugely in a straight line, but seconds faster than vipers and vettes around certain race tracks. Seconds is huge.
Buy one, throw bolt ons (+125whp) and sticky tires at it, and it whoops zr1's and acr's
Ford GT with Just 11 Miles on the Clock Up for Grabs(Dec 31, 2013)If you buy this, store it for 25 years, it might be a $3-5M+ car in 2039 assuming ww3 and so on doesn't derail everything. Great investment honestly.
I read of a guy almost buy a 08 Gallardo in 08, bought a gt instead, just sold it for $125k profit
Ford GT with Just 11 Miles on the Clock Up for Grabs(Dec 31, 2013)You can buy one today, leave it stock and drive about 500-1000 miles a year or less on it and probably still sell it in 5 years for twice what you bought it at.
The y sold at 150k new, were 200k 5 years ago and now sell for 250-300k. Cray cray sick
Ford America's Best-Selling Car Brand of 2013, Says Ford(Dec 31, 2013)If true, his dad has a 2jz powered Prius that covers a mile in 25 seconds.
He stated so on a previous article about an 1800hp lambo doing a 250mph mile run.
Is it truth or fiction? Don't know, but figure I'll help him out with benefit of the doubt.
The World is Loving American-Built Cars(Dec 30, 2013)Oh no it's the one where al gore was mad that bush got the office so al gore made a giant heat gun in the arctic and was sabotaging the world to show bush who's cooler right?
I still blame peanutbutter sandwiches because toast.
The World is Loving American-Built Cars(Dec 30, 2013)Is that the one where Jr. played so little golf since we were at war that god kept trying to make the weather even better to temp his resolve or the one where Sr. concentrated so much on the Middle East that quantum dynamics spread the heat all over
The World is Loving American-Built Cars(Dec 30, 2013)A Toyota dealer of the coast of the Oklahoma bay sold them from 81-83. It was a converted gen 1 retrofit to look kind of like the 77.
So Chevy, What's Your Response to the New Mustang?(Dec 30, 2013)The gt500 has video of 7:39, a lot of people called false because the lap was bridge to gantry, but those same people swear by Chevys times.
Funny thing is, Chevys times are bridge to gantry as well. Haha ignorance is so awesome
So Chevy, What's Your Response to the New Mustang?(Dec 30, 2013)That 7:37 z28 lap is nice, so is fords 7:39, and the zl1's 7:41.
All of em are quick, and now that the future stangs will be irs, wider track, etc, all 3 will also now be great handling cars.
Handling is feel related, quick+good feel= USA>EU.
The World is Loving American-Built Cars(Dec 30, 2013)Handling wise, a mustang gt track pack with factory Barenboim package ($36,000) is dead on with a BMW m3 limerock as tested by motortrend in 2009, there lap times were .2 different and the gt wasn't even on the better tires that ford now offers it w/
The World is Loving American-Built Cars(Dec 30, 2013)Correction, the sls amg was 3790lbs when motortrend tested it in 2011 at leguna seca.
Even a "super light" lotus Evora is 3200lbs with an auto... And that's the lighter 276hp non supercharged version.
This guy on about light weight and sales.. Fail
The World is Loving American-Built Cars(Dec 30, 2013)Richard... The c63 amg black weighs the same as the z28, give or take 4,000lbs. The sls amg is 3650 lbs, give or take what the boss weighs.
The m3 is 3700lbs, 100lbs more than a mustang gt. You don't know what you speak of, stop. ytd sales US>Eu.
Alpina B7 Drags Dodge Challenger SRT8 at the Strip(Dec 29, 2013)I'd bet dollars to dimes on an alpine b7 vs a stock srt8 easily, even on a road course. I've been in both, maybe with a fearless pro the challenger is faster around a track but the b7 is waaaay easier to drive fast, and is quicker in a straight line
Ford Takes 2015 Mustang to Route 66(Dec 29, 2013)It doesn't need a classic ohv v8, this 5.0 is over 100% volumetric efficiency in the majority of its rev range: vvt-ti. It has 50-100tq more than similar na 4.5-5.5L mills from Maserati and BMW. Beats those mills peak hp too & burly sound w/ headers
Ford Takes 2015 Mustang to Route 66(Dec 29, 2013)Headers and a high flow catted x or h with a magnaflow catback will do plenty. Throw chambered mandril e-dumps pre cat and it'll make big block guys turn and look.
I have e-cut outs on my cobra, wot open it's 110+ db, closed it's sleeper~85db.
Ford Takes 2015 Mustang to Route 66(Dec 28, 2013)That all said, irs cobras have hit 1.35 60fts, but sra ones have hit 1.15's, in American iron x, maximum motorsports, Griggs racing and agent 47 run built irs and even sla front (short long arm)
Anyways, if it lasts in aix, it's tuff as fuck
Ford Takes 2015 Mustang to Route 66(Dec 28, 2013)The irs isn't as strong as a built sra, but a stock mustang sra also wheel hops and sucks like a bitch.
Mustang, generally a built sra will be better at launches and good at handling, and a built irs will be good at launches and better at handling.
Ford Takes 2015 Mustang to Route 66(Dec 28, 2013)My 03 cobra has delrin bushings, level 5 stage 2 axles, a Detroit trutrack.
It's held 920wtq on drag radials with a 3.08 rear...
I blew the t56 up at 885whp/920wtq but it's rebuilt now.
If anyone woulda told me the t56 would go first, Id have lold
Winning Bidder Will Get First 2015 Mustang(Dec 24, 2013)Wasn't a gt but was an svo, also the 2013 cobra jet concept car had twin turbos on a coyote, but that's a concept.
Hoping it gets incorporated into production!
When people say turbos are rice, I lol.
Winning Bidder Will Get First 2015 Mustang(Dec 24, 2013)I've been a mustang fan for decades and can honestly say this thing is awesome to me, from looks to performance to the hard work and engineering. I honestly feel bad for mustang fans that think they've been sidelined/brushed off. Never a good feeling
Winning Bidder Will Get First 2015 Mustang(Dec 24, 2013)In my opinion it has soul, great looks, etc. quantifying soul is tomato-tuhmahtoe though. I see a car that was passionately tailored and fully bred into a dynamic gt.
I feel bad for the displeased, ideally no fans should end up feelin let down IMO.
Winning Bidder Will Get First 2015 Mustang(Dec 23, 2013)Since it doesn't scream aggression, it should age well, it has a mature and stated look that to me ages well.
The more youthful and tacked on the design, the worse they age IMO. Compare an 03 gt vs an 03 cobra, hood scoop, wing age worse/ boyracer
Winning Bidder Will Get First 2015 Mustang(Dec 23, 2013)Depth perception is thrown off with still shot 2d pics, in person it meshes beautifully but in pictures, the eye is lied to. Watch videos of it moving in high definition and you'll get a better idea of the rears actual dynamic aesthetic.
Winning Bidder Will Get First 2015 Mustang(Dec 23, 2013)Someone said turbo 5 speed, the turbo will use a 6spd unit. All engine and trim packages offer 6spds, I'm thinking these 3 variants, ti4, v6, v8 gt, will have 6spd a6/m6 offerings, the gt350 might only be m6 though. Talk of a 10 speed auto and m8 too
Winning Bidder Will Get First 2015 Mustang(Dec 23, 2013)I could go on for the whole car. I've personally found over 50 mustang cues played into this design, and yet it looks completely modern and sick. I think when people see them in person, the shit talk might dry up and some of the naysayers will sway.
Winning Bidder Will Get First 2015 Mustang(Dec 23, 2013)Mustang cues just upfront:
-trio led inner lights scream 64 grill gills
-large wide boxy grill (64-73)
-layered hood bevels with grill height(many)
-hood has aero/heat vents (many)
-long hood, short deck trunk (many)
-incorporated ducting/fog light
Winning Bidder Will Get First 2015 Mustang(Dec 23, 2013)The proportions scream mustang in person. The mustang community that has seen it live in person has exho'd this to exhaustion.
Modern car designs which a are sleek and curved don't photo well.
A 458 Italian looks iffy in pics, sexy in real life.
Winning Bidder Will Get First 2015 Mustang(Dec 23, 2013)Get clues guys, rather than read some bullshit that it looks like this or that, do a damn google search and compare the same angle of the "look alike" cars.
Anyone that does and wants to argue it looks like a tib, get Lasic and shut up
Winning Bidder Will Get First 2015 Mustang(Dec 23, 2013)Omg! A sleek sexy car shares a c pillar that is kinda sorta barely like the top of the c pillar of other cars that feature a fastback look. Rather than point out the obvious db9 profile likeness (70% similar IMO), let's choose Hyundai! (5%); jokers..
Sexy Krista Elyse is a Model Mustang Driver(Dec 23, 2013)Joshua, really now? Not cool man. She's a human being, why do you wanna be acting like that?
Leave that kinda talk to the jackass's man, why embrace that sorta culture? It's not like it's remotely productive. I don't think she points out fat people
Mustang Sales Dropped Last Month(Dec 21, 2013)Florino, it's not an option on the street car, it's an feature of the drag racing cobra jet (not street legal) and should become available in the ford racing performance parts catalogue.
Drag racers will switch it out, so ford is aware of it's enthusiasts
2015 Mustang to Offer Solid Rear Axle?(Dec 19, 2013)If they did, then I would definitely worry about fords warranty at that point, lsdones? No thanks haha.
Just kidding, happy holidays to all the ls owners.
Shelby GT350 Set to Replace GT500(Dec 19, 2013)I know people making 800whp+ out of 2007-2013 gt500's on factory long blocks man, no issues in any aspects of the cars, when a 2jz holds 700whp stock, it's gods motor haha, when modulars do so, and even 1200whp, "ya but it's a v8 and way over 3L!"
Shelby GT350 Set to Replace GT500(Dec 19, 2013)Jacques, I don't think cobras are like other ford offerings durability wise. My 03 cobra has had 0 issues apart from a melted piston that took 25,000 miles at 650whp to occur and wouldn't have if I didn't forget to turn up the fuel pump bap one time
Shelby GT350 Set to Replace GT500(Dec 19, 2013)Right? I really hope ford keeps that flat plain v8 idea because it's so awesome, lower center of mass, 600hp, na, hell yes to this.
Firing order dependent, it can sound pretty muscly too, flat plain doesn't mandate Ferrari sound/pitch
Shelby GT350 Set to Replace GT500(Dec 19, 2013)Caio, there have been a few versions of the mustang that could be muscle, like the boss 429, saleen s351's, and maybe the 03 cobra, and ya the gt500's but ya I'd say most are pokey cars.
David, right? I really liked it when I saw it, now I need one
New Ferrari California Coming with Twin-Turbo V8(Dec 18, 2013)335i, having driven and ridden in a few different versions, the experience to me is quite enjoyable. Pricey? Ya I won't buy one soon but if I was loaded, I would. They don't perform like what they cost, but they have unbridled visceral feel.
Audi Ambitiously Adding 11 All-New Models(Dec 18, 2013)I'd say goodby to ford if the mustang looked like this... The previous gens looked like 4x4's in some angles, but this looks like an 80's group b rally street homologation offering in all angles... Cool but not what is wanna see with a pony up front
2015 Mustang to Offer Solid Rear Axle?(Dec 18, 2013)Could be off on the challenger as well, the mid year/ special release date stuff is off to keep track of, but ya challengers and camaros which are full irs have had sra drag cars and components available through performance divisions is my point
2015 Mustang to Offer Solid Rear Axle?(Dec 18, 2013)David, your right man, I remember them launching in 09 but it was as a 2010, always trips me up on those and the challenger in 08 as an 09
2015 Mustang to Offer Solid Rear Axle?(Dec 18, 2013)335i, quite a few, I'd guesstimate at least 5-10,000 will buy a cobra jet or order the sra out of ford racing performance parts catalogue combined, maybe more. Lots of classes, and top drag racers have spare assembly's (engine/tran/rear) ready to go
2015 Mustang to Offer Solid Rear Axle?(Dec 18, 2013)I actually like it, I've seen a lot of vids of it moving though so the flatness of the 2d doesn't register like it did before I saw moving vids of it
2015 Mustang to Offer Solid Rear Axle?(Dec 18, 2013)If they wanted to bake stones, they'd get BMW 335i's engine and let it over heat encircled by stones. They're not putting an sra option on the street car, it'll be a body in white chassis like the camaro/challenger offer, both are irs only otherwise
2015 Mustang to Offer Solid Rear Axle?(Dec 18, 2013)Alexander. It's a new frame, new platform. You can put an sra in a 2009 camaro, those platforms were irs only in development, but it's an easy enough swap.
335, it's an option for drag racers. They know the swaps will happen, so they offer a chassis
Dissing The Stang is Dissing Merica(Dec 18, 2013)I have no issue talking with someone that just bought a first car and doesn't even know what boost is so long as they aren't arrogant/rude, we all learn from happenstances, not inherently. 7B+ people on earth, not everyone needs to see eye to eye IMO
Dissing The Stang is Dissing Merica(Dec 18, 2013)I didn't haha. Tutorial wise, I like to take time when people haven't heard of/doesn't know yet, I am so condescending/ad homonym that I don't mind taking time to help others to understand.
I get along with everybody at a car show, you I think don't
Dissing The Stang is Dissing Merica(Dec 18, 2013)For each of the six lamp elements, one board controls the outer taillamp set of diffused LEDs, and another controls the inner section for the braking or sequential turn signal functions
Dissing The Stang is Dissing Merica(Dec 18, 2013)"I almost got fired over those taillamps," says chief engineer Dave Pericak, noting that with 12 LED circuit boards, they're way spendier than a few two-element bulbs.
Dissing The Stang is Dissing Merica(Dec 18, 2013)I'd bet relative to what they spent per tail light before, these are a lot more, but I couldn't see them being more than $200 raw cost now, and probably $45 raw cost before (material, not including research and design fees) it all adds up I guess
Dissing The Stang is Dissing Merica(Dec 17, 2013)Anyways, I'm being a dick. I'll stop, tc, throw a google search in for "a4 m6 z28"
I frequent modern muscle forums and it's as common as sbc or bbf, so no need to be an ass to ya.
(Sbc small block Chevy, bbf big block ford for others)
Dissing The Stang is Dissing Merica(Dec 17, 2013)Cool Tc, since you've never heard of it I must have made all of that up.
Being passive aggressive is so fun, I never thought it would be.
In other news, there's a world outside of your own.