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Yea that makes sense, they should of shoe horned a true big block in there, that would have been beast.
@jeorge yeah I was talking a blown one. They originally wanted to use it. And technically no it's not a big lock but it is a large displacement small block.
Oh nevermind, your talking a blown ls7s reliability, isn't it a big block tho? Or is it just a bored out 6.0litre to make it a 427?
What? The ls7 has a hard time breaking 100k? if I put down zo6 money it better last me my lifetime. WTF? Seems off dude
For a factory car expected to last 100k miles the cylinder walls on the LS7 were deemed to thin to guarantee a 100k mile warranty if it was blown. They tried supers and turbos both. What we got was the results of all that with the LS9.
The LS9 uses the LS3s block, bore spacing, bore size and stroke length. Has higher flow heads to help with the boost. And has a boost cam. And obviously forged internals. They used this after testing blown LS7s and not liking the reliability
My bad on that. Yes the ZR1 uses the LS9 which is an LS3 with forged internals and the proper fuel upgrades to feed the TVS supercharger. The LSA is the down tuned version of the LS9 and is used in the cys-v and ZL1.
No the venom uses an ls3 motor, its 6.2 and they bore and stoke the motor to 7.0l and twin turbo it... The ls9 is a supercharged 6.2L
The ZR1 doesn't have an LSA though. Or an LS3 or an LS7. >.> it has an LS9. Although all are based on the LSX platform they are quite different. Especially the LS9 and LS7. I'd have to say it's enough of a difference to call it a different engine.
Steve, you're wrong the LSA is not completely different. It's an LS3 with the supercharger and fuel and internal upgrades needed to support it. Same bore, same stroke. Same engine. The LS7 however is different.
@justin, Oh for real, that's crazy man I gotta stay on top of ring times. I thought the zr1 was faster for sure.
The ZR1 isn't a completely different model.. It's a level of trim just like the ACR is to the viper
I think the c7 zr1 will beat this just like the c6 beat the last one. This car is just a loose cannon.
v agreed. The next ACR Viper will be a world beater on the track, just like the last one was. Since the C6 ZR1 spanked the new viper at Laguna, they will make doubly sure the same thing doesn't happen between the ACR and C7 ZR1.
Lets just call it what it is: Badass. This car, regardless of final ACR output, will toast 99.5% of all cars on the track. The remaining handful that beat it, should beat it, since they will cost 10 times as much. Would be dumb if they didn't beat it
Jack, you know those are HyperCars right? So technically those go against the Venom, Ultimate Aero and Agera. Need more examples?
If it's not a super car then I guess it's just a sports car that's faster than Ferraris and Porsches
This is growing on me a lot! I already love this car but its getting close to the old one (appearence wise)
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Tires make a lot of difference at the track, just look at the vette before and after the tire upgrade. This is going to be super fast.
Jack the only reason I comment on stuff you say is because you just spew ignorance and bull shit from your mouth 24/7 and give people the wrong bias info.
Haha jack don't be such a baby just because you run your mouth and have no clue what you're saying.
Never have understood the hype around any Pzero tires. All I've ever seen is them being beaten, but maybe that's just me.
Jack just had to mention the p1 even though it has nothing to do with this.
I feel like this new acr is going to be like the last one in the sense that it will really heavily on very tires that are barely street legal to set fast lap times. I wonder if this one will be faster than the last one
What a difference tires make. I am very curious to see the performance difference between, for example, a 458 with 'stock' tires and 458 with the Michelins where half the tires are slicks.
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Meant to say the only Viper I've seen, sorry. I've seen numerous Vette's with old people driving them, still don't give a crap who's driving it, awesome car either way.
@Shane, you can't really say that tho. I mean, the only Vette I've ever seen had a 60-year-old woman driving it (I know cuz I talked to her) in Orangeburg, SC, u can't get much more uncool than that lol. I still love Vipers tho, don't really care who's driving it. The driver has no effect on the car's performance capabilities, and that's what really matters to me and any TRUE gear head.
Didn't mean vettes are "boring", so to speak, but the fact of the matter is there is a 74 year old retiree in town with a blue Grand Sport. And when I see a grandfather driving a car, it kinda loses its edge for me.
Just about every old fart (and Colby) drive a corvette... Rarely do you see a viper
Well you do own one Colby so of course you still like the way they look. But being someone who doesn't own one and seeing way too many base vettes around town, I just ignore them now. Now If I see a viper, that's a whole different story.
@David Funny, I never get tired of looking at them. I think they're badass.
I believe you're right Jake, most torque from a naturally aspirated production vehicle. But I believe most horsepower for a production vehicle goes to the Aston Martin One-77 at 750. But it's also 1.7 Million USD so.. Haha
I read somewhere that this motor holds the record for N/A gasoline motor torque production... Could be wrong tho.. Regardless, viper over vette all day every.
What about torque per liter? The actual twisting workforce that moves the car.
Normally every NA engine should pump out at least 100hp/L or more for the Viper's V10 It's gonna be easy with more aggressive camshafts 4 Valves per cylinder and maybe new pistons
I'm sure Ferrari would love to get their hands on this and help out! Why wouldn't they?
The V10 is made to handle aftermarket power, since a lot of people will add turbos or a super charger. That's coming from Ralph Gilles.
Vettes new or a couple of years old eventually get boring to look at. Vipers will always be head turners. I also believe the vipers v10 is already slightly detuned and they have a lot more room for more horsepower in that 8.4 liter.
800 for drag racing is pretty cool and easy probably. But it's going to be awesome to have a NA V10 or SC V8 to get more than 700 out with the viper and vette respectively for long term everyday use. I was actually thinking about that the other day.
Hopefully this will shut up those individuals who think this motor doesn't make enough power.
Patrick, MOPAR developed a NA 8.4 tuned to 800. It's made for drag racing but they've already made it. Maybe detune it for longevity and there you have your ACR motor! Fingers crossed.
@ jake, and the vette doesn't? Any car with 700+ hp can and will b scary lol
I'd go with the Vette only because the thought of a Viper with 730 hp scares the crap out of me lol
I hate these half monopoly car empires! They keep the inspirational flow from advancing the automotive industry all in the name of profit.
More than 730hp? Please do it. I wonder if they are gonna go forced induction. Gonna take some crazy stuff to get that V10 to NA 730hp.
Ferrari is my fav but idc that srt wants to take shots at them car comp is the best comp
Aaron, yeah I agree, I've seen a bright red one with black stripes in person, that looked great!
The one on Top Gear was a one off odd color, if they used a blue with white stripes would have looked much better. They look so mean in person, I've seen a couple already. But the Vanquish is something else entirely.
nXs, I didn't know TG used Ashton kutcher as a car. Lol jokes aside, nothing looks as good as an Aston dude. This does look better than the LFA though, at least to me
Sweet! That's what I heard, and I'm a pretty light guy so it should feel great on me. Thanks fellas.
Hell yeah those 650 are nice, they gott a lot of grunt on the bottom end, guy on my forum got none for super cheap and says its a blast with that parallel twin
Yea man, if you're red-lining it, it's illegal to get out of 1st in my state (Oregon, 65mph limit)..haha! Yea get that 650 Ninja- it's a good bike to learn street bikes on.
I've been riding dirt bikes my whole life, just got rid of my CFR 450 but I am really wanting a street bike. Looking to get a Ninja 650. Can't wait to get into super sports once I get more experience. Rode my buddies R1 around the block a few times.
They aren't my style but then again they aren't not my style either. Ill give one a shot one of these days and who knows? Maybe I'll be converted. Lol
Hahaha yeah they do and its pretty, and Aaron its something to expierence, I would suggest a nice ride gonna super sport, even if not your style of bike its a great expierence, specially when u crack the mid range, just seems like there is endless power up to redline
In the plant to create some engines. Very very cool stuff and I feel fortunate to have experienced some very cool American motorcycle history. Glad Harley decided to stay in York pa.
Ben my dad worked at the Harley plant in York pay for 32 years. Man did he have some cool stories and show me and my brother some cool stuff. He was a welder so he was hands with the bikes. He would tell us cool stories of when Porsche set up shop
They have a new 636???! How did I miss that. Excuse me while I go scope that one out...! Haha
I wouldn't mind a 600 size bike. I don't care about how blistering fast it is And I hear the 600s are a blast for city and highway. Still haven't been on one though. Been on Harley's and metric cruisers.
Yes the 636 is a beast, should try and test drive the new 636 if your looking at a new bike and want an SS, kawi made that bike a lot better for the street, and still made it a little better on the track... My friends got an 11zx6r and we often switch on rides... Main reason why I would get a kawi without hesitation
@Aaron: didn't know that about the VROD/Porsche connection. Cool though. The Harley I rode was the 1400 Softtail- a beast for sure. Haha it really pulls hard at low RPMs.
@William; ya I had a zx6r 636, and that was by far the best "in-town" street bike I ever ownd. Something about its steering geometry, when you turn in tight corners, it falls into the corners naturally. My Yamis seem so much more stable at hi-speed.
That VROD is NICE. yeah Harley's are heavy. When I bought mine I couldn't afford to nice and bought a 1250 (yes a 1250) sportster. It's a fun bike. But one day ill pick up a vrod. That engine was designed in collaboration with Porsche...
Ohh well shit your all set, really personal preference, with all the advancements in the bike world today there all about evenly matched, I'm a Yamaha man so NY decision is easy, other then Yamaha I would get a zx6r or 10r without hesitation
Harley's are sweet. I picked one up for my dad. They're heavy though- that really caught me by surprise. I really like the VROD.
I probably would not get one ever. They're hard to come by in Oklahoma and I work in the oil industry so I'm never home to ride it. I have a cheapo 02 harley that's really all the bike I need. But maybe one day ill do it anyways.
@William: Been riding for 10 years, Daily driver was a an R6 for 5 of those years- yep even snow. I'm not the most experienced, but over 45,000 miles logged, no accidents...yet...
@Ben have u riden a sport bike before? If u haven't I wouldn't suggest the ducati, Thats a lot of grunt for a novice and can getu in a world of trouble really quick.. personally I think getting a ducati as your first bike is a bad idea, for a lot of reasons main one being that's a handful of a bike for even professionals
If u can afford the maintenance then go for it, get a new seat though, stock can be a killer.. Yea there motor sound nice, but I prefer the tone of the crossplane I4 from Yamaha.. Guess its the Subaru nut in me
Really? I love the sound(s) of Ducati bikes. V twin, dry clutch; it all makes for a cacophony of speed.
Nice- I'm in a self-debate- my buddy is selling his 1098 for 8k...only 2k miles. I wanna buy it haha. I'm not a fan of the Ducatti sound though. I'm a sucker for the Japanese 4's! So hard decision. But that 1098- so beautiful! Haha
Yea I have the the motor from the previous gen, I'm either dropping the cross plane i4 in my bike or I'm gonna get an R1 as my next bike, things sound rediculious and with the cross plane crank and big bang firing order that motor is perfect, crazy linear torque on the bottom end and it still make power while screaming all the way threw the rpm range
Just being a smart ass towards him William. Yeah I would rather have an R1... More reliable, fast, and I could afford one. Lol
IMO an R1 is better....plus you can actually own one. That's better automatically.
By R1 I hope your not reffering to the Yamaha R1 that sounds nothing like a Ferrari... More like a modified Subaru
Lol @jack "so checkmate, I win you lose", way to sound like a 5-year-old Jack.
Oh yeah Jack! An R1 revs higher, has the same annoying tone as a Ferrari and looks better! Guess it's better than all Ferrari's... Going by your logic. Trolololol
No it's not, I've seen these high revving cars going down the road screaming but hardly getting anywhere, whereas a torquey car like a big American v8 is pulling like a stabbed rat all through the rev band.
Rotary engines rev over 10k, does that mean that it is better than a ferrari? Yes! I found the ultimate car, Mazda RX8.
Torque also provides you acceleration bud. Low torque motors have to have assists. Ferrari uses a very good traction management system and a very good auto tranny. That's where it's acceleration comes from.
Rednecks care about. You're toeing the line of truly sounding like a know nothing. I gave you credit for knowing some and being interested at all in cars. But it's all being thrown out the window very quickly.
On ramp and merging passing situations on the highway. It's not a parameter that performance driving cares about except in straight line evaluations. Which you also vehemently argue is why you hate America. Cause that's all us dirty, unsophisticated
Reading what you've written below doesn't do anything. You're wrong and it doesn't make me agree. You also have completely contradicted yourself. You claimed track times are all important on the P1 article and now claim they aren't. 0-60 is about
Haha Jack is one of those people who thinks that because a car revs higher that its faster.
guess u still forget that the corvette doesn't just beat Ferrari on 1 track its many, and while were at it, Chevy last longer, cost less, are cheaper to own.. Ferrari don't look better besides the f430 they all look ugly to me, again what sounds better to one is personal preference ... So besides costing more what are Ferrari better at again?
Not true. Porsche 911 has beaten the Ferrari many times in handling competitions.
These cars you guys are talking about will never never be cross-shopped by the same people. They're irrelevant to one another. So why bother? They're all great cars and have their strengths and weaknesses.
Why Are u guys having a huge argument over cars that are not even comparable/in the same class? Ahah. And when it comes to what car is the most enjoyable, it's personal preference. (Fr an example only) Colby, ur making it sound like the vette IS the
Hey now let's be nicer... To bitches on their period they are not that stupid
And yeah jack is so right the new vettes and the viper got nothing on Ferrari because Ferrari has analog clocks in them and that makes them infinitely more faster and cooler
Steve the vettes are faster around corners too. But there you have it. A Ferrari is a status symbol that's a good drive. And a corvette is a drivers car that the hard working average enthusiasts would buy. They are tailored to who buys them.
Jack is obviously too full of himself to realize he sounds like a hard headed twat. He's probably never had his parents slap him across his midget face when he starts acting like a smart ass. Somebody somewhere is gonna teach you some FUCKEN HUMILITY
Straight line speed isn't everything colby... The guy in the Ferrari could easily have bought multiples of your shitty corvette so I doubt he cares if your car is faster than his
You want to talk about feeling like a boss? Let me tell you, the guy in the Ferrari might feel like a boss, but when the guy in the Z06 or ZR1 rolls up beside him, guess who feels more boss? After all, we have nothing to worry about, we're faster. :)
The sound is brutal and very loud. The throttle response is instant in any gear. It accelerates in a way no other car can. The torque puts you back in your seat, g forces hold you in place, and the steering is spot on. Driving this car was incredible
Jack, honestly, you have no idea what you're saying. I have driven a 360 modena spyder, F430, SLS AMG, CLK 55 AMG, 911, Cayman S, M5, M3, DB7, and many other nice cars, and out of everything I've driven, there is nothing like the C6 Z06.
@Jacob youre right i was looking at an old 458 time. Regardless 13 seconds slower for a camaro is crazy fast!
Jack they're capable cars period. They whoop cars 3x their price. Why can't you understand that?
Nope jack you don't have to like the cars. But claiming they will be beaten or are crap or are inferior isn't a true statement. They are extremely capable and have more than not put supercars costing many times more to shame.
@Justin You are wrong about those track times! On the Nurburgring the 458 did 7:28. The ZL1 did 7:41. Still impressive though from the Camaro!
@Hack I love Ferraris too, but if you know cars, you would give respect to vipers and corvettes! You don't have to love them, but a motor enthusiast should respect what they are capable of on the track!
Oh Jack. When you grow up and learn your rich parents wont buy you your Ferrari, you'll know the reason why we love these cars. I mean they literally changed the standards.
Apparently they don't teach humility in private school. I don't want Jack representing the gear head nation. The gear heads I know are good dudes and humble. It's probably because of his maturity level I guess.
He just doesn't quit. I know when I see a comment from jack I'm gonna have a good laugh.
I did autoX competitively in SCCA for 4 years while enlisted in the USAF. Built a '04 GTO for it. And I just love downshifting heel toeing and the level of control and connection it provides.
Jack c'mon! Look at the amount of people you're annoying is the highest I've ever seen on this app... At least we all agree on something :)
Europe is bankrupt now. And no Ferrari is really interesting to me. I'm a purist I like manuals. Don't care if they are slower accel time and track times aren't important to me as I don't do that much track driving.
Jack, drive ANY car. Oh wait, you can't. Because you're too young. Quit being a d bag.
1st the 612 isn't the best example. It's a GT car and it was the Ferrari I was able to drive. But the gallardo felt better. Good rotation and great grip. That being said, the vette felt even better still.
Jack it's not about what some journalist says. You'd know this if you could even drive. You're taking people's word on everything. Grabbing data you know nothing about and spewing it fourth like its law.
And ferrari is using whos suspension again? OH yeah thats right its chevys magnetic ride control. Damn the Italians got their handling from the Americans what has the world come to Jack? This must be a bad dream for you
So Jack if they can make a fuckin camaro as fast as a mid engine supercar i cant wait to see how bad they embarrass the competition with the Z06 and ZR1
Just a random fact but It is kinda funny how chevy made a camaro (ZL1) only 3 seconds slower than a 458 around a 13 mile track. Chevy is insane
Man they should make you register your drivers license before commenting or something. Cut down on some of the nonsense. Oh, and let's chill it with the f words.
That being said, the Z06 I drove (friends and wasn't on a track) felt better than either. Manual+ that 427 underhood and the car in itself were awesome. The interior really wasn't that great though. Lol
@ will, I have also driven the Ferrari (it was a 612) and a gallardo on a track. The 612 was fun in a tail out way but felt sloppy. The gallardo felt amazingly balanced. Even though it is AWD it doesn't really exhibit the push most have. So fun.
The ACR-X has set one of the FASTEST times for a production vehicle to date. Not many things else are able to come close. Not many hypercars/supercars or otherwise. Kid, please. Let the grown ups talk.
I've driven ferraris, I've driven lambos( prefer the lambo actually) driven vettes and one viper. All in all money be damned I would have a ZR1. Even if I could afford the P1. Jack learn to drive.
@Jack Why did you even bring a Ferrari up! This and a Ferrari are two different kinds of cars! The ACR is a track killer, while a Ferrari is meant for being a great and thrilling car to drive on the road! Both are great at what they do!
I was gonna say this, but then I noticed someone else already did, so ill say it again for good measure... SHUT THE HECK UP JACK! YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE CRAP YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT! Anyway, I was also gonna second the guy that said the Vette/Viper have schooled pretty much everything else on Laguna Seca and a few other tracks, and are super quick on any track. To say that they aren't a force to b...
Not to mention they have records on the Laguna Seca, Nurburgring and countless other tracks
Not once did I mention a Corvette being better than a Ferrari you little cock. But since you mention it... Yeah I agree! Hahaha.
Is that why the 10 year old platform of yhe Z06, ZR1 and the OLD viper completely obliterate all ferrari and mclaren consistantly on every track but the people who hate america (top gear)? And you keep bringing up those biased times
Maybe u should take your own advice and drive any car before saying who is better then another.. You have never expierenced a Ferrari, vette or viper so stop acting like u have, u assume the Ferrari is better just because it cost more, learn a thing or two cause as it stands viper and vette schooled Ferrari in the performance department
Driven a zo6, viper and f430 and the Ferrari was the least enjoyable one.. And by driven I mean behind the wheel throwing it threw some turns, not reading about them and riding bitch
Wow jack that's really dumb. The Apollo and the Viper aren't even close to being in the same league. And then you say Justin is biased? Says you, you don't even know what that word means since you're the most biased person here
Jack, shut up. Why do you not shut up? Do you realize how fast this f*cking car is around a track? No gives a fat baby's dick about Top Gear lap times. This is a badass and the new one is going to be even badder.
How was that even remotely biased in the least bit, he didn't say anything but good luck, good job being a giant douche for no reason jack... And those cars cost how much more then the viper? And are how much faster?
Couldn't agree more Patrick and Matt, when I get a Viper I believe it'll be this generation or (wishing) the SRT mostly because of the improved interior.
Considering this isn't the car they used on top gear I don't think your argument is very valid.
I don't think that power(hp) is the most important thing so even if it doesn't have the same hp figures it will still be an amazing machine that will probably beat some of its competitors
The question isn't if they'll make it. The question is if they'll be allowed to increase the power to Ferrari levels
It's ok. If I saw one I'd probably try to throw my camera at it to capture a picture of one.
I broke my cameras lens shoving it against the window to get a picture of this car. Naturally i got a crap photo.
I think im the only one outside of italy and ferraristi who has seen 2 of these.
Take the Ferrari for special occasions and the viper for everyday. I would assume the viper would be less likely to fall victim to some schlub's key.
I don't even care what this car looks like. the sound of the engine is good enough for me.
Why use Aaron when he supplied logical, realistic facts and was accurate with why he said?
Except Aron was stating a cold hard fact, "Ferrari is superior to everything" isn't a fact
Haha jack. Good one bud. Good one. I have plenty of experience. I'm not going to get into it here. So you know what? You're right. You really showed me.
Jack ever heard of aerodynamics, the gumpert looks the way it does for a purpose, Aaron is 100% correct the Apollo is not a low speed car, it ex cells at speed that's a big reason why it set such a blistering time at the ring, was able to maintain a higher speed through out the track.
@Jack, u haven't driven ANY cars, so I'm pretty sure you need to just shut up.
Reason being is its like an F1 car. No grip at low speeds but you get that thing moving and it hunkers down.
Apollo has crappy handling for the street but its perfectly set up for the track.. I hope that's what u were getting at jake
@ jake, the Apollo has a nurburgring lap time of 7:11. If its a poor handling car idk what's a good handling car?
Not sure why ur sighting the Apollo to support ur opinion there, Jacky boy, most reviews I've read/watched said it was one of the worst handling supercars of all time. Not exactly proving the superiority of rear-mid layouts, now are we?
But packaging an engine and drive train just in front of the rear axle usually makes for a poor weight distribution.
Actually pull that off. Evidence of this can be seen on a drag strip. They have massive weight transfer(wheelies anyone?). But very wide tires and super soft side walls. The tires eat a lot of that force up to provide the grip needed.
They don't just throw the engine in the front to be simplistic. There is a reason. Not do they throw it in the middle just for shits and giggles. A properly balanced mid engine car will out perform a front mid layout. But it's very difficult to...
To the weight transfer from the force of accel. By having it (weight) more towards the front it helps plant the rear tires. But keeps the car stable by not overloading the tires. Enough weight means good traction. To much and it can hinder it.
Jack if you really want to argue this ill get into the physics of it with you. But a high rear weight bias pushes the center of gravity out "behind" the car so to to speak. Watch a car accelerate. It raises the nose. This is due...
@ Colby, how is mid-engine a waste? It seems anything the vette isn't, is a waste to you.
This is evident by the Porsche formula. They are rear engined. Porsche has perfected this by adding tons of tech to it to mitigate the lopsided weight bias and throwing hugely wide tires on. And now even moving the engine further inboard with the 991
If you want to call someone out. Have the knowledge to do so. You do not have it. A slight rear bias is considered the best but by a margin of a few percent 51-54% is good for a RWD car. A mid engine usually carries no less than 56%
Jack you have no room to call me an idiot. Go look it up. mid engine cars carry a high rear weight bias. They perform well sure but that's due to tire and suspension. Look at an MR2 they don't have room for wide tires. And do not perform as well.
The Corvette has a perfect 50/50 weight distribution. It is a front engine car. The transmission is in the back, connected to the engine using a torque tube. Why do you think Corvettes dominate the race track? Perfect setup. Mid engine is a waste.
As I said Jack, you can't compare the two! Most people would take a 458 over an ACR, but considering they are two different cars at different price points, you can't compare!
Jack, look up what a front mid engine car is. Front mid engine cars are actually better balanced than a true mid engine car. Examples of a front mid is viper, Mazda rx8, anything with the engine set back behind the front axle enough to push bias back
Dat ass. I love the viper but damn, visual wise it still can't compare to the f12
That was fastest car i ever seen in my life
Motor trend announced this 2 weeks ago
That was fast