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I would love this in just one color. The unpainted carbon trim bits with the orange look a bit, "off" to me. I'd love this in a nice metallic grey with orange stitching on the interior.
We really have no idea if it can beat it. The ZR1 won't even be out for 1-2 years.
Jack, I don't know if you know this (I'm sure you don't) but there's more to a car than the engine. Aside from engine specs, you don't know what this car is capable of yet.
Just to add to lap time argument have a look at the wikilpedia lap times of the nuringhburg some use racing tires and other variables
HyperCar without the use of F1 Tech, which Porsche hasn't had for years and years, please, do explain
Jack, you say the reason Lambo won't make a hyper hybrid is because they don't have the F1 (kers) technology? Then please explain to me, from what F1 team Porsche got their hybrid tech? Because with your argument, they simply can't build a hybrid
And my point is proven on the next slide. Even Ferrari fans don't like what you have to say.
I like Mclaren and Porsche a lot but the stuff that you say is retarded so I rarely agree with anything you say. BTW I would take the new 918 or P1 over most American or Japanese cars if money wasn't a problem.
Nope not at all. Just because I don't agree with what you say or call you out on stuff doesn't mean I don't like European cars. You constantly have to bash cars that aren't European and claim that European cars are almighty.
Well hopefully the editors see this tomorrow. I wouldn't want Jack being a representation of my app.
Remember how long it took them to Ban Connor? Jack isn't going anywhere for awhile.
Haha trust me fella. I'm not going anywhere. They don't have a reason to ban me. Your cursing and stuff like that is what's gonna get you banned.
Jack Brandon likes to make up his own facts. Everyone should listen to what he says.
There was an accusation from Porsche against Nissan about their time but Nissan released a video for the lap time shortly after proving their legitness.
No they really aren't known for that. I've never seen any for marketing for either cars and never seen them showboat their times. They don't cheat.
Love the P1. And Hyundai, if I'm on this app I really don't want a Santa Fe. Take your ads else where plz
Ashton, it looks like that sharpie graffiti artist that did a one off Gallardo. The camo looks awsome on this car.
458 is only 2 seconds faster around the ring then the superleggera, and the ring has nothing to do with the gtr being faster then a 458.. Plain and simple the gtr is just a faster car.
I don't mean they weren't good on the track, but the diablo was the last lambo designed from the ground up to tackle the track... I know lambo are more then capable of putting out a track dominating car, they just don't care about lap times as much anymore. Ohh forgot about the sesto elemento, lambo needs a road going version of that monster
William there was plenty of light weight track special gallardos to not have the diablo as the only track friendly lambo recently... The murci however was all about style and lux
Not to mention the fact that there owned by the largest auto group, not to mention they audis le mans dominating expierence to help them out, now will they? Probably not, I think Audi is moving to be vw groups hyper car company, any one read the article on the 2017 R20, road going LMP car.. Hell yes
If lambo wanted to make a hyper car I most certainly could, they may not have an F1 team but that doesn't mean they can't use f1 tech, and just cause Lambo hasn't mande a track dominating car since the diablo dosnt mean they cant
Yeah also being part of the largest automotive group in the world gives lambo a clear advantage over the use of cutting edge tech
I do not see what lambo have to do with a mclaren hypercar lamberghini aren't cutting edge there classic supercars for driving pleasure not for crazy laptimes. Like comparing kia to aston martin a different market
That's not the bottom line, u do t have to use f1 to be a hyper car, Agera is a hyper car and doesn't use f1 tech, the SLR McLaren was a hyper car, no f1 tech there either, Bugatti is a hyper car, no f1 tech there.. F1 tech doesn't make u a hyper car, its about performance and if lamboncared could do the same as Ferrari and McLaren they've done it before and can do it again
cmon jack dont play dumb they have plenty of resources like hmmm lets think...audi, porsche
I don't like lambos but jack you're an idiot The R8 and FF are awd but they're good
Kenny the hybrid is not for save gas purpose, it gives instant torque and instant Boost in power as it can re-charge
@Kenny Same reason F1 cars are hybrids! Performance gains! Not fuel economy!
I dont know why i never saw this coming as they do alot of hybrid technology for race cars and trains
Bet this car will be at/near/over $1 million. Too bad. These cars are nice and the technology wonderous but this getting ridiculous. I guarantee this car won't be much able to outrun a last generation C6RS (and maybe be beaten on a track!) and that can be gotten for (only) $179k lol. I love McLaren design but dang they cost too much.
Why make a 900hp hybrid? If you buy a car with 900hp you won't care to save gas.
Compete. What rock do you live under that Lambo can't compete? Get a grip jack and get off of Mclaren's dick.
Jack shut up. You always just run your mouth. Lambo is backed by VW group an have Bentley as Audi to help out. If they wanted to trust me try could build a comparable car to this but to me that's just not what lambo does. You always say lambo can't
Why shouldn't they, lambo made the diablo witch was a track monster, its not that lambo can't build a track oriented car, they just don't cause they make more money building there cars as they do, there track prowess shows in there sv models, lambo has just as much right to build a crazy HyperCar as the rest
Guess u forgot the fact that lambo dosnt build there cars to dominate on the track, there cars a built to be Lamborghini, loud and brash and a great joy to drive, plus lambo does have racing expierence and the diablo was a monster
Of course Aventador is the better looking car. IRL the Aventador is an absolute shock. But the perfomance and price is higher in the P1. But I would love to see Lambo doing a P1/F150/918. Please Audi, send them some money.
Aventador is a very very nice looking car, just to me not even close to the Agera and p1 in looks
@Mohammed i agree in my opinion the aventador was one of the best looking cars of 2012 especially the convertible
Even with camo this thing looks like a wicked predator! This things awesome.
Such a beautiful car, other then the agera no car compares in the looks department, and this is even pushing the Agera aside slowly
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...comparable due to the possible performance loss because of these conditions.
What I'm saying is that these "fastest" times are inaccurate due to the conditions I described earlier. I know 12 seconds is a lot on a track, but a track as huge as the ring and with, once again, the many changing conditions, the times are not
I'm aware of Ferraris private track, but can't compare times that don't exhist and while it may not be driven by a ferrari factory driver, still is the fastest time posted by a 458, and can only compare times that are available... Regardless 12 seconds is a huge difference
...don't really care, they have a private track of their own where they can get much more accurate times and compare them to their previous models with the same setups and the same drivers under the same conditions.
William, not all manufacturers test on the Nurburgring, and not all manufacturers hold their times in high regards, and since they were mentioned, ferrari, for example, do not post official ring times, nor do they often test their. Why, because they
I can see maybe 5 sec at the most between cars being driver error, but anymore then that is pure car, bitch and moan all u want but they both have posted multiple laps and gtr won every single time
Only pos in your statement is the Ferrari getting stomped by the mighty gtr around the most demanding track by almost 12 seconds... Only people that cry about the times being unfair are the sore losers that can't take defeat, every manufacturer test on the ring and every one holds the times in high regards
...therefore you never know the full performance that the car can give. This is not so much a problem on shorter tracks as there is less room for mistakes, but on a track as long as the ring, you never know if the car is really being pushed to its
@william, I'm aware that they are not one time attempt laps, that still doesn't change what I said. Nurburgring times, even the top ones, improve often, but all this shows is that drivers are constantly missing out on performance in their cars and
I don't know how they aren't relevant. It's a testament to what the car is capable of. Every single automotive manufacturer and race car driver holds the track to highest standards in the world because its the most challenging.
The ring times are far from useless, and just an FYI any one of us can take a car to the ring, if u beat a record in that car the record for that car changes on the track, its not a one time attempt, the posted times are just the best times posted to date... Should they be the only point in your argument... Hell no but they are very relevant when comparing performance
...track is around 12 miles long, one small mistake, noticeable or not could cost seconds in the end on a track that long. So PLEASE people of carbuzz stop with the Nurburgring and find something else to argue your point with.
Jacob, I completely agree. I hate it when people bring up Nurburgring lap times in an argument. They are completely inaccurate and pointless because all laps are done by different drivers in different conditions with varying setups etc. And since the
Plus, the Nurburgring is technically an inaccurate test due to the fact that each lap has a different driver behind the wheel!
I highly doubt anyone will be cross shopping ZR1s and this! I think the ZR1 is a great car, but the P1 is the successor to potentially the greatest car of all time, the F1!
Acr was built with one thing in mind, lap times period, and that record still has room for improvement, just cause the 918 is new and is a Porsche doesn't mean its automaticly gonna be faster, there is also the fact that the new gen viper has an ACR model still up its sleeves
Jack, did you just seriously say they threw the car together and drove it?
The acr x and the acr are faster then the zr1 the hybrid is essential for torque at hogh speed hp doesnt really mean shit .... Insta torque when ur going 180 mph ur weight doesnt count for anything its wind resistance n ur torque
yo franklin, the vette is not third on your list... third is gumpert then 4th is viper acr then lexus lfa nurburgring edit.
Can I mention that Formula 1 cars are technically hybrids too! People, this is McLaren! This car will not weigh a lot, and it will blow everything out the water on a track!
I like the way Carlos thinks eventhough I still like McLaren. I don't think Bruce McLaren would have built this hybrid version car had he still been with us today.
@Jack "the second fastest lap ever on the nurburgring"? Wrong! 6th fastest. And not even the fastest production car. #5 Dodge Viper SART-10 ACR, #4 Gumpert Appolo Speed, #3 Corvette ZR1. #2 Radical SR8. #1 Radical SR8LM. None of them are hybrids btw.
@Jack "the second fastest lap ever on the nurburgring"? Wrong! 6th fastest. And not even the fastest production car. #5 Dodge Viper SART-10 ACR, #4 Gumpert Appolo Speed, #3 Corvette ZR1. #2 Radical SR8. #1 Radical SR8LM. None of them are hybrids btw.
3,300 to 3,700 is good with all those heavy batteries with 900hp, Look the base Veyron. Is not hybrid, but is damn heavy.
mclaren made mp4-12c faster, lighter, more efficient and cheaper, 458 is still on my top list because of the design, sound and aura that car gives you as it passes on the street. However P1 is an absolute winner this year!) trust me P1 is the future!
After someone finds the weight so I can make my assessment, someone should also find the wiener that's in Steve's butt.
Its one motor, it works like a super powered starter for McLarens system, so weight from the motor won't be that much, its the battery packs that are gonna add the weight, and yes this is McLaren so this will be nothing short of a stellar car, just look at there track record, nothing but success
I'm sure McLaren can pull the wieght issue off, I mean they are beasts when it comes to technology.
Quick somebody find out the weight... I'm dying to know Patrick's assessment -.-
It's gonna be extremely difficult to keep it under 3000lbs with those battery packs and motors. We will see though.
Is a light car without those motors. If we were talking a 4000 pound car that might b a different story though.
And jack brought up a good point. The electric motor only makes about 170hp (which is a good amount) but it will probably make well over 200 lb-ft of torque. I'll trade 50, 100 pounds for over 200 lb-ft of torque. Especially considering this probably
I'm pretty sure they were trying to keep it under 3000lbs. This thing is going to be breaking a lot of track records for production cars. I love it! U guys may as well embrace hybrid technology, it's only going to get more common.
I wanna know how much this thing weighs. Then I'll make my assessment. Should be a badass car either way.
Guys, the Atom that is in second place is the V8 engine version. And the Atom does not have features that most people like, such as, an enclosed cabin and air conditioning which add weight, but serve a purpose. Just like the elec motor and battery's.
I'd rather take the 727 hp alone without the hybrid garbage, you can keep your additional 173 hp McLaren, and whilst we're at it, I'd get those black panels on the sides painted the same colour as the rest of the body.
Nick how about designing the car without an electric system? There are plenty of cars that are extremely well balanced and have low centers of gravity without batteries
The atom does weigh 1350 lbs but it also only has 300hp. This thing will be heavier for sure but 900hp is worth the weight
The batteries have functions other than providing power for the electric motors, their weight helps balancing the weight distribution and lowers the car's centre of gravity. How would you achieve that without them, with rocks?
@ Matt, I might be a dumb, but i'm right, lightness is important, look at the Ariel atom at the TG test track. Not to much better( less than most supercars) but the 2nd fastest car right now. The batteries are not light,the P1 would be fster without
before I side with Matt's assessment of Carlos, I wanna see some curb weight figures lol
As long as the car is ridiculously fast, who cares what it's powered by. Get used to this too, hybrids aren't going anywhere any time soon
This car is looking to be very promising on the track, 900 hp and lots of weight saving, can't wait to see
Batteries. I think, and i alleais think that this is just marketing? If you care abaut MPG get a polo bluemotion. If you care but you want something fast get a Fisker, or a Tesla.
Burn this car. Burn the New Porsche hypercar, burn all the hybrids car, yes, a lot of power, and very fast, but if thoose 900HP came only from the petrol engine the car would have the same power and a lot less weight because not having the heavy....
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Whoa! Major violation on the author to say that an indycar has KERS. I bet they enjoyed the F1 race in Baltimore last year too. Haha.
KERS people. Kinetic energy recovery system. You don't get kinetic energy from plugs. You get kinetic energy from moving components, driveshafts and the like. And it will have a plug in charge system aswell obviously just from reading the article
They've been saying from day one it was gonna have a KERS system.. Just try that new website called google for yourself
I hope your right Jackson but the way they word it in the article it doesn't mention braking regeneration, only that it will take 2 hrs to recharge which sounds like a plug in method recharge system...which would really suck.
Very similar to the bugatti spoiler, at a certain speed it retracts completely, just McLaren is making the system on demand witch is awesome, combine that with the kers system on a straight, P1 is gonna be a rocket out of corners
Kers is a boost in power output, and drs is exactly what it stands for, Drag Reduction system changes the angle of the rear spoiler to reduce drag thus making the car more aero dynamic, good for faster top speed but u sacrifice handling cause u loose your rear down force
@jake, I don't know about you, but I don't see a world where McLaren's newest hyper/supercar would be slower than a 10 year old Ferrari equivalente. And tests what the F150 id for, to keep Ferrari's best at the top. Your comment makes no sense
such a trick car! should make for an amazing track experience for the lucky few. I wonder if the batteries will recharge from brake energy or if they need to be plugged in to be recharged.
@kyle my previous statements come from his earlier statement that he's not proud to be American. Over the fact that the vette may compete with his beloved car.
Jack, has the C7 come out. No has the P1 come out yet? No. You don't know anything.
And honestly, is it worth the time to argue with an adolescent over the Internet?
\/ da heck did that come from? Come on guys, if he wants to post his dogmatic arguments, just leave him alone til he wants to use facts.
Delete the comment all you want ban me if you must. But seriously, as a veteran of OEF and a very proud American, jack, please just be quiet.
You're pathetic kid. Go grow up some. Hell go sacrifice like the soldiers of so many countries that have died to even give car manufacturers the freedom to build them. You really should, in all honesty, be ashamed, embarrassed.
Yea people made an observation and had there own opinion, jack being the little baby he is just started name calling cause he didn't agree with someone's opinion, just escaladed from there with stupid comments from him one after another
wait, what?? how are people comparing this to a corvette?? what is wrong with u people??
Jack did or do your parents ever say "no" to you? Cause you sound like a spoiled brat right now.
How are you even comparing the zr1 to this the zr1 is 700 hp the z06 is 600 hp this is 900 plus its a much more technologically advanced car then any car gm will ever make
This car is a F1 car for the road, but with the limitations of a car, weight, aerodynamics. Two very big walls. This won't be the fastest car in history, but it'll be up there
Ferrari proved that's not the case when the enzo, f430 and 458 all got beat out by the low tech vette and viper, I expect this to beat the c7 and probably the z06, but the zr1 I can't agree with, it may beat it it may not, either way I won't be shocked cause either is possible
Abraham no point in keeping it up, it uses F1 tech so its automatically faster then everything... That worked out great for Ferrari so far, oh wait didn't McLaren try that and still got beat by the vette on the track... Just cause your f1 team is suceasful doesn't mean you will make a road dominating car
Looks like it may possibly have a pretty trick double diffuser. That along with its massive rear wing and active aero at the front and rear should help it achieve some massive amounts of downforce. Can't begin to imagine the cornering speeds this
Now that's just sad Jack. It's kids like you that don't appreciate all that's been done, thats what makes me sick. If you cant love our country, I have no business with you, begone.
Wrong again Jack. Do you know how hard it is to make a race car run for 24 hours straight? Do you know how hard it is to make a street car into a race machine without sacrificing reliability? No you don't. That's why LeMans is better IMO.
@Jack the ferrari has 950hp and 800hp from its V12 alone. I bet its quicker than this
If the vette cost as much as this thing does it would end up being the alms race car with an interior, and that would give almost anything short of an LMP or f1 car a serious run for there money
The full potential of the vette platform is only being tapped for the road going model, there is still so much more the vette is capable of doing I really don't think people grasp that
Wanna know what will be hilarious, when the zr1 comes out and it actually edges out the p1, its not like Chevy doesn't build world class race cars already, corvette is built to remain in a certain price range, if Chevy wanted they can break that price range and throw all there alms tech and knowhow at the vette and turn it into a even bigger track monster
How could you even say it'll be automatically better than the Vette? Both cars arent even in production yet.
PEOPLE! We will just have to wait and see. Though, arguing is fun, too.
This car is going to be awesome. The C7 vette is going to do great for sure at least on par when it comes to racing.
Yeah this has f1 tech but the vette has racing tech too. Do you know how sucessful the vette has been in alms. The vette and viper will forsure give the mclaren ferrari and porsche a run for their money. They dont need kers for torque either
Nvm just looked it up on the formula 1 site it is actually made for both greener and power boost....if you think about that its pretty incredible
In a way I look at is as an evolutionary thing for cars itself. Even though its not really lowering footprints it still is a greener future to hyper cars while still raising the bar for power. But was KERS tech invented to increase power alone?
I wouldnt say nothing is as fast as kers. I have a feeling the new acr and zr1 will still run the ring. The 918 ran a 7:14 in development. I realize it will probably be faster in production but last generations viper was at 7:12. Im sure the new one
With or without the dishuise this is the world's most beautiful car. Just get rid of the hybrid drivetrain and then... perfect.
Electricity shooting from the tail pipe is something well all have to get used to... Wait never mind why the fuck is that blue
Yeah I think McLaren would know better than to use suede def that alcantara or however u spell it
It's nice to know what those buttons actually do. The McLaren rep wouldn't say what the second "electric boost" was, just that one was drag reduction.
I honestly dislike suede steering wheels, but it is grippier, so I understand for this car
so I can feel like an f1 pilot when u pull out to pass someone on the highway. I'd use it every time!
they should add a KERS system too so this thing will be an absolute monster on the track. and it'll be even closer to the f1 cars
suede is more grippy than leather and allows for feather fingered wheel work which is how professionals do it.
I hate suede steering wheels. Ferrari won't make that mistake with the F70.
I'd say the best place to look at lap times are the Top Gear Test Track and Laguna Seca with Randy Pobst. They both have the same drivers with the same variables to look at so the lap times should be the best.
But the badge signifies unsurpassed quality and engineering of the highest standards
Just because the badge at the front is world famous and it cost over 200k doesn't mean its the best, not in the least bit
Actually I'm 26, and your far from smarter then me, my 8 yr old nephew knows more about cars then you, he also knows when is is in the wrong, really jack the Ferraris race suspension can't be used on a race track... No wonder there so slow, has nothing to do with the others cars being better engineered for the race track
Yes Jack. You caught me. You are filled with amazing knowledge as you have clearly displayed to everyone. Everyone is extremely impressed by how much you know.
Its border line pathetic that u call your self a gear head yet know so little and refuse to learn
What even funnier is your comparing a motor but for one application against a motor that was built for a vast variety of rolls around the world not just a light weight super car, your also stupid in assuming gm will use the LT1 outside of the base stingray, both the z06 and zr1 when released were given a new motor... Your nothing but a biased ass euro loving little kid.. U don't know anything abou...
I usually just read these comments to get a good laugh, but Jesus man this kid is intense haha.
OMG I just in this article and this is crazy. This P1 is gonna move faster than Lindsay Lohan at a cocaine buffet lol. Bow Down Bowtie Boys. That ZR1 isnt touchin this
Oh and the p1 ran a 7:14 at the ring in develoent. The ferrari is supposed to be around the 7 minute mark so unless they shave off 14 seconds before production, it might be beat before the vette even comes out
@Jack back up one of your statements with factual evidence that it will be quicker. All ive heard is "OMG IT HAS MORE TECH ITS GONNA BE FASTER CUZ ITS EXPENSIVE OMG GUYS SHUT UP"
Why are we arguing about how two cars are going to compete when neither are in production yet?
Lastly, calm down. You're invalidating your own opinion by trying to prove it so adamantly. And they are just pulling you into it.
Fact: look at C&Ds lightning lap the turbo cobalt beat cars vastly over its "tier" now don't get me wrong i have a feeling the P1 will be a monster. But don't just follow the hype blindly. It's not perfect. And it's engine isn't the best.
Good lord kid. You're mclaren nutswinging is getting old. Fact: the ZR1 has beaten MANY cars above its "tier" all it takes is engineering on their part and Chevy has proven to be good at this.
Jack I think the fastest Beatle would probably be Ringo. He seems like he's the most in shape.
CALM DOWN. NOBODY KNOWS WHETHER THE NEW ZR1 OR P1 IS GONNA BE FASTER. JESUS.
Many fast cars to me, vette, viper, gtr, mp4, LFA, Agera, any pagani, the f1, want me to keep going?
And why should they? Does that define an automaker? If that's so than Hennessy is the best manufacture out there.
" it uses f1 tech donuts gonna be the fastest" Ferrari thought that and look what happened to them every model stomped out by a corvette... And u need to stop with the superior handling, cause if McLarens handling was superior it wouldn't have been beaten around every track by the vette
What you don't understand Jack is that you compared the base Vette to a full blown P1, and you say its better. Better how? It may be faster, but is it better? There is no way of knowing that. Vettes are quick, inexpensive, cheaper to maintain, easy to tune, more driveable,easier ro attain, and will last far longer.
If McLaren is so much faster why did the mp4 loose by such a giant margin around the ring comaored to the vette, u keep talking out your ass throwing wild accusations, u haven't the slightest clue what the zr1 will be like, but u keep being the ignorant twat that u are and everyone else on the app will keep laughing at your stupidity
Jack, there's more tech in a GTR than an ACR Viper yet the ACR is still faster around a track. Technology doesn't mean anything.
Jack ever heard of the 918, F70, C7 ZR1, ACR, And the Venom? Apparently not.
I'm not riled up, I'm actually laughing... And this is the same kid that not even a few months ago was cursing the p1 and calling it crap because it was using the kers system.. Now its the best thing in the world apparently
You can't reason with him William. He argues like a child and pretty much needs it to be his way and his way only. Don't get too riled up. He's just a kid that doesn't anything about real world things.
It's like you think Vettes are just put together in 2 minutes. Z06s and ZR1s are developed alongside the C6Rs. And it shows
That means they know how to make a fast race car, that doesn't always translate to the best performing road car, if that was the case a corvette wouldn't beat a Ferrari and a z07 deffinatly wouldn't have beaten an enzo around the ring... But this is the real world and hate all u want Chevy knows how to set up a suspension system and there lap times and performance back that up
How could you say that this engine if reliable when small block chevys are constantly running with maintainable maintenance? Just when you say the dumbest thing you top it with nonsense.
Love that u assume just cause Ferrari and McLaren race in f1 that makes there road cars the best, this isn't f1 child, and Chevy has been hugely successful in alms and that success applies directly to the corvette, McLaren is a fantastic company there is no sought about that, but just cause they race f1 doesn't mean there the best
U say McLaren make better handling cars, yet every track the 12c and vette have been on together the vette has beaten the 12c except on one track, and for a superior handling car it got beat by almost 17seconds, a 17 sec difference with a pro driver boils down to one thing, the vette is the better handling car
HAHAHAHAHA this is so awesome. I hope this douchebag gets banned soon. He knows nothing.
Too bad the ZR1 is faster around the ring, laguna seca and countless other tracks. The Z06 is actually quicker around the those two too...starting at $75k. Oh and you can actually get a manual in a vette
@Jack you say it needs a supercharger to get 700+ hp like the mclaren isnt twin turbo'd. And did you really say the lt1 has no low end torque?? They create instant torque buddy
Way to change the subject Jack. Fine, if you want a SUPER reliable engine, model t engines still run to this day.
Ehh idk about in this trim, but McLaren stated when they first released the 12c that the motor was detuned from max output, I think McLaren said the potential was somewhere around 800
Like I said before, your argument is invalid, this engine is tuned already to its limits, the LT1 isn't. Remove all the fancy stuff or twin turbo the LT1 and see what happens.
Like how u assume there gonna use a super charger, for all u know Chevy could take a page from john hennesseys book and twin turbo the lt1, no one is arguing that the McLaren motor is a great motor, were arguing against your statement that is the best motor, a motor must make more then power, gotta be reliable and nothing as reliable as the LS series
The 12c was built after McLaren built the motor, the car was built around this engine, the chassis tailered specifically to the engines characteristics, without the car the motor isn't that fantastic
Jack, remove the turbines and the KERS system from the engine and call it a fair fight. I mean, how could you say that S'charging an engine is a negative when this car does the same thing?
M838T is a great motor but is far from superior to the small block, this motor is good for its application only where the LS/Lt is an extremely versatile motor and can fit many application, the glory of McLarens motor isn't the motor its the entire car, put that motor in something else and it wont be nearly as fantastic as it is
Jack you're comparing a 440 engine to a 900 hp engine? That truly shows how dumb you ate. How about a 1000hp LS7?
Jack your a retard, how fast are f1 cars going around a track, about double the speed of a normal car, they rev high because they don't have use for torque during a race, there at high speeds so they rev high to make HP high, engines are designed for there applications, and that lack of torque is why the vette and viper beat euro exotics on the reqular
Oh HP per LB makes a great engine? Fine lets put F1 engines in everything!
Having good performance doesn't make it the best motor, it must also be reliable, long lasting, and reletivaly easy to maintain, something a high revving low displacement v8 still hasn't offered to date
Your ignorance is astounding, your corrected over and over yet your to dumb to see when. Your wrong, instead of learning the correct information u just get dumber and continue to argue trying to prove your opinion as fact,
Dude, Jack, Vettes don't run on their performance potential, you do realize that there are Vettes running around with 1000 hp, Vipers with 1100 and the Venom with 1200? Find a specialist to tune this and theyll decline. All I'm saying is that this engine layout isn't the best in the world its only really good in this car and was especially made for it. Like they are in other cars.
Really jack, and Ferrari can only attain there claimed 0-60 with a traction controlled system, vette does it with raw performance, I never said a vette would beat this around a track, get your facts correct I agreed that the gm small block is a better moto
And no corvette engine will ever be as powerful? Lets see a mclaren put out 1500+ hp
without any problems whatsoever. You cannot dismiss an engine just because your biased brain expects an exotic manufacturer to engineer a better engine. People are people, and Chevrolet has more people, more brains, more patents, more resources.
I love McLaren, but this engine does not match the LT1, or even the LS engines when it comes to efficiency and making power. Also a Corvette engine has less moving parts and is easier to fix. I met a guy that bought an 04 Z06 new and has 221k miles.
Just cause it made by McLaren and Ferrari doesn't make it the best in the world, a proven track record and history do, and neither Ferrari or McLaren have a v8 as capable as the gm small block, if there engines were truley the best in the world don't u think they would be in more vehicles then just there own models
to technological sophistication and efficiency. Katech, a very advanced company has always helped GM design the small block V8 engines that they produce. They are world renowned for their innovation and accuracy. Learn your shit, moron.
that has already proven itself to be one of the most versatile, powerful, and reliable engines the world has ever seen. This engine is built on a commercial scale by a large company. There is no V8 in the world that matches the new LT1 when it comes
Chevrolet had to make sure their V8s produce great power and reliability, while retaining adequate fuel efficiency. The new LT1 engine undertook over 1 billion hours of testing and computer calibration. It is an improvement if an engine platform
@Jack Dude you need to get off of this site. If anyone is ignorant, it's you. You're a biased asshole. The Chevrolet LT1 small block V8 will be used in many of Chevrolet's vehicles. Many trucks use a version of the Corvette engine.
Jack dont be a dick about everything and when your wrong just say you're instead of a dick when people correct you
Oh and i would say the vettes engine is superior. It's much simpler, lighter, not as high strung so it will last forever, cheaper to maintain and has boatloads more torque while still naturally aspirated.
Making it more space efficient. It is also simpler and has less parts making it lighter. The cam is in the block which lowers its center of gravity too. Ohv is just lighter, not to mention the weight two turbos and an intercooler will add to the
@Jack small displacement with turbos isnt lighter than a vette engine. Displacement does NOT mean size or weight. The ohv design GM uses keeps that enging lighter than almost everything else even 6 cyl's. the ohv design is more compact than an ohc
One thing though, this engine probably does not weigh less than a v10 or even a smaller v12. Turbos and their piping and inter coolers and even increased oil capacity can make for one heavy engine. It's all about packaging. This thing fits.
By using this they were able to keep most of the weight in the center between the front and rear wheels and keep it lower. Creating a good center of gravity.
@oscar, a V10 may have been an option for this vehicle. However, the compressed engine dimension of this keeps weight inward. With them adding the Hybrid stuff they may been pushing to far and had poor weight distribution.
I don't see why you guys are arguing over the decisions of some of the most talented engineers in the world.
Not out fault your constantly wrong and talking out your ass, stop saying stupid things and giving people wrong info and we won't have anything to say to you plain and simple, gets your facts inline before giving the wrong info to people... Your on a computer or a cell phone, really not that hard to get the correct info in the first place.. U just seem to love guessing about a lot of thing
franklin you are a dumb ass and your facts arent correct, the c6 has the best mpg of any super car? nooooooooooooooooooooooo you stupid
What Franklin! You actually think a Corvette or Viper will take one of these on! Not a chance!
I don't understand the need for such drivetrain complexity and with expense/reliability factors, why do this? How many times does a relatively in-expensive car like a Corvette or Viper kick a "hypercar" in the nads performance-wise before commonsense reigns?
Overly complicated drivetrain. There is a reason the Corvette still uses an OHV configuration. The latest engine is a marvel of compactness/packaging. No supercar gets better fuel economy than the last gen C6 does if that matters and the LT1 carries that further still. That engine is fully capable of 600+hp n/a.
McLaren used the only motor they had instead of out sourcing again or spending money developing a new motor they used the already proven M383T
Jack the M383T is based of a Nissan engine not a Honda one, its built by McLaren and riccardo
To add to that though, you do have a valid point. One reason GM just made the LT1 a 6.5L. It helps the engine produce power and torque. A heavy motor will make tons of torque. Look at a diesel for proof. But free revving and low friction can help.
Which would make it very efficient. Costly too but this is the P1. So cost isn't a huge factor. It'll be bough no matter the cost by those fortunate enough to have the means.
@ Oscar, not completely. A v8 has less internal moving parts so there's less parasitic loss to the friction of the engine itself. Depending on how it's built and I believe McLaren did build it this way, the engine is made to be very smooth running.
sorry, maybe not quite twice the length but still, would lengthen the chassis significantly.
Oscar - a v-12 would be twice the length which would really increase the weight of the car. Packaging is so important so many manufacturers are trying to do more with less. Yes, a v-12 would have advantages but it would give up more than it gained.
Yeah probably. But it would cost alot for mclaren to develop a V12 rather than use the engine they already have
How will a "small" v8 handle the power. Wouldn't a v12 with the same power not push the mechanical aspect of the engine less making it more efficient, smoother, last longer????? Someone who knows more answer
This isn't a Honda. It doesn't need basketball sized turbos to make power
Small? There about the sane size as the heads, there not giant but deffinatly not small
Not because Chevy can't make it faster, Chevy chose to keep it in range of the american public, but u can bet with the c7 the games gonna get raised with the likes of the p1 and F150 coming around.
Never in any comment did I ever say the vette was better then the p1 or that its gonna beat it, I said the vette has a chance just like any car can... Plus u seem to forgette that the corvette that beads on your McLaren and Ferrari today, isn't even touching the platforms full potetial, people tend to forget that corvette performance is limited by bits price range
Reading wikipedia and copying and pasting from there doesn't make u a car guy, understanding and expierence do, 2 things unclearly lack... That and respect for performance and history.. Ubshould really start reading what we write and actually under stand it
Jack u have non idea how dumb ubare running around saying a car can beat everything because u think the motor is the best in the world, there is more to racing then just technology and a decent power train, u need a good suspension setup and the one under the corvette is a proven system that has worked time and time again... Beat the 12c on the track and the fact that u think the p1 can't be bea...
Dude where the hell do you get your info? I looked it up on laptimes.com, Wikipedia, and sport auto and they all say Mclaren got a 7:28 except wiki which doesn't have anything. The ZR1 on the other hand got a 7:19. You're WRONG BITCH.
The corvette is bukt to meet a certain price range, and if u think Chevy is just gonna sit back and let McLaren and Ferrari have all the fun your sorley mistaken, if Chevy decides to tey could always build a faster vette, and I think the c7 would make the perfect body for Chevy to take on bigger prey.. SRT is probably gonna do the same thing.. May not be hybrid but guarantee u they will still comp...
I know is annoying how people thing just cause its doesn't use exotic materials and doesn't cost over 200k it can't be faster... Chevy has proven time and time again the corvette formula successful, everything Chevy learns from there race program is applied directly to the road corvette every time they build it
The corvette and its variants are proven supercar killers. The P1 isn't proven in the least. What happens when, on the right track with the right driver the P1 loses? Like the 12C did in handling comparisons.
Case in point William, like I said earlier, the cobalt SS turbo beat tons of cars over its head. I'm not a fan of Chevys other than the vette but I'm making a point. The P1 isn't invincible and if you put it in autoX it wouldn't beat a miata
Your can make less power and be faster with a better power band its really not that hard to understand and the fact that u say u love cars but can't grasp that is very sad
U don't get it... Your high revving v8 doesn't have the flat torque curve our low displacement v8 have, heard the phase "horse power sells cars and torque wins races" ?
But your to stupid and childish to understand when u have been corrected with cold hard facts and a proven track record, u just see people not drooling over McLaren like u, so instead of learning the correct info u throw a hissey fit and constantly repeat your self
It must also be reliable, easy to maintain and vastly adaptable to different application, something McLarens motor can't do, no one said the 838 was a crap motor, its just not the best or even close.. If it was it would be in more then 2 cars
Every single argument your have done nothing but throw around your biased opinion like its fact, the 838 is a great engine but no where near as good as the gm small block, 838 was designed for one purpose to be light and rev high, the small block is used in a vast variety or applications not just a light weight performance car... Good performance doesn't make it a great engine
Yes jack yes, I didn't say they should make an aventador to compete, learn to read first of all, I said sesto element performance with aventador looks, again learn to read instead of trying to be a smart ass... And u keep running your mouth about p1 this and p1 that its not the be all end all of performance... But your to stupid and hard headed to get that so u keep living in your fantasy world th...
If lambo builds a car based of the sesto elemento its gonna be a monster, that thing weighs nothing, makes crazy good power and grips like glue, sesto performance with the aventadors looks... Talk about a killer combo
I can't wait to see the camparo of this, the Enzo successor, 918 and the new Lambo! I think the new lambo is going to be a sesto elementish version of the Aventador.
If using f1 tech makes u the fastest then how come a Ferrari isn't at the top of every leader board.. Oh yeah that because it dosnt... And jack I would be calling anyone a fan boy, u just fan boyed this article so bad your now the definition
Well let's see were going off the vette track record of killing cars it certainly shouldnt be able to beat on paper, your just assuming from your own stupid blind hatred and your completely biased opinion that the vette we have zero info on won't be able to compete with it just because its using tech barrowed from f1
How can I like the Vette more? You dare question my opinions? Because since we can't question yours, I'm not gonna let you correct mine.
Damn your a really pathetic gear head if some stranger can change your opinion of a car u " used to like"... And its not that hard to understand, everyone thinks different things are beautiful, that's why cars don't all look the same
Oh I make stuff up? All you do is assume and say you're right. We just correct you and you take it up the arse
And u need to stop being a little douche bag all the time, I have a life, but its 11 at night what else should I be doing besides relaxing and laughing at your stupidity
Water drips of and runs, oils is thick and grips to surfaces, penetrates, can even leak threw actually metal if given enough time, all he did was point out a possible flaw in there layout that other have used with pore results, but all u apparently got from that was that McLaren doesn't know what there doing
Jack maybe u need to learn a thing or 2 water proof, doesn't mean oil proof dip shit
If they went with any other motor it better have been a in house developed n/a v12, but there v8 is a proven reliable power plant, McLaren even stated when they released the 12c that the output for the car wasn't near the engines potential output
Geez, a V12/10 would extend that transmission quite a bit don't ya think?
BTW I didn't say Mclaren made a mistake. I said I didn't think it was a good idea to have the electric motors under the engine (which contains oil). Do you know what happens when electricity meets oil?
Haha Jack you little troll. Go back under your troll bridge. If you can't grasp the concept of what I was saying without freakin out like a little turd I can't help you.
Hey I'm new to this test driving stuff but is there any reason why they cover the cars in that black and white stuff? Because it seems like every test driven car ha that.
Hmm im wondering whats the weight distribution like with the engine motor and battery pack near the end
It's ok William. Jack isn't even old enough to drive a car. I don't take him seriously anyways.
Jack learn to read before insulting people, he never said he was smarter then them and was pointing out a very common problem with today's cars, motor fluids and electric equipment do not mix well and he was just giving an example
@patrick - I'm sure that motor is sealed and would not be compromised by leaks.
Motors. I have faith in Mclaren because obviously they build badass cars but that kind of stuff is common sense to me.
If they have a dry sump system (which Im sure they do) then it wouldn't be as much of a problem and I understand having a lower center of gravity but I know of something ever happens to block or anything like that, all of that oil is ruining those
But hopefully it is completely contained, so simple things like oil changes won't be so difficult
Agreed Patrick. I'm sure it helps significantly with the low center of gravity but I can see problems in the future with that set up. I don't know much about this electric set up
I'm not saying Im smarter and I realize this isn't a Pathfinder. I'm saying I don't think it's a good idea to have your fluids right above electrical components. That goes for any car. The two motors are directly under the engine.
First of i think its slightly to the side from the engine, second of all even if any leak happens, i dnt think you will be able to get nowhere near it, its not Pathfinder you knw.
I thought they were going to drive the front wheels with the electric motor but I guess this works to. I'm sure the McLaren engineers know what they are doing.
Yes i think you are smarter than the McLaren engineers who have put years of thought into the design.
I don't think it was smart for Mclaren to do that. It's common sense not to do that.
I would never put anything electrical under the engine. If you have an oil leak, those motors are f*cked. That's why I hate working on my wife's Pathfinder. Her power steering fluid reservoir is right above the alternator. Not a good design at all.
Can't be that big, its sitting rite where the seats would go in the cabin
