Description: With the introduction of the M5 in the mid-Eighties, a new executive saloon segment was created. Ever since, BMW's rivals have been building models to match the might of the M5. In 2004, a challe...
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Jerry Cole Jun 22, 2012
3.9 seconds??!!! wtf! that is incredible right there... no wonder it was the fastest production sedan ever.
Description: In fact the 2009MY was in many ways considered a superior automobile, as a comparison test by Road & Track demonstrated back in 2008.
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Michael Fasanello Jul 01, 2012
@jeff frank some of us can afford these rides and are adding value to the conversation. You are not.
Temo Solis Jun 27, 2012
i think the Cadillac stinks. So do most other American cars. European cars are just too good.
Jason Brown Jun 24, 2012
Just wondering where in Europe a CTS-V cost more than the M5? My friends in Frankfurt tell me that M5 is way more than the Cadillac and same with my UK friend's claims.
Jeffrey Frank Jun 24, 2012
I also find it humorous to see people try to reduce car manufacturers to strictly engineering ability. Building a brand is an accomplishment in and of itself. The fact that BMW can compete in the marketplace with a car at $25k less says something.
Jeffrey Frank Jun 24, 2012
I find it humorous to watch people who can't afford these cars argue so passionately on the subject. When you can afford to buy either of these awesome machines, you've earned the right to spend the money as you wish without judgement by another.
Jose Alfonso Macias Jun 24, 2012
@brian suskind your an idiot man, I never said the caddy sucked. I think it's a great car and I like it, watch and listen to the review correctly. There is your plain and simple answer, overall the new M5 is the better car. Prices after 60k to 90k are hefty for some, but these two are direct competitors regardless of price. Yes the bmw is higher priced here but it's all just damn marketing and b...
Michael Fasanello Jun 23, 2012
My 2 cents, the ctsv coupe is wicked and mean looking. Forget the wolf in sheep's clothing... America does it big and bold. After years of screwing it up, they may have finally been able to match the look with real performance all at a much better price point. This from an x5m owner. Next ride... V.
Jason Ofhorrormoviefame Jun 23, 2012
The BMW has poor build quality compared to the V (JD power publishes problems per 1000 vehicles and the BMW has far more problems.) The BMW depreciates more (check 3 yr old prices on autotrader.) I will just stick with facts and not talk about looks
Tim Preisinger Jun 23, 2012
Adam, the 5 series I drove was a 2010
No Pistons Jun 23, 2012
Caddy if your in the states and not Shallow person that cares about status. M5 if your in Europe because it will be cheaper and slightly better. There problems solved
Sam Hansen Jun 23, 2012
Badge or no badge, the M5 is still the king (followed closely by E63 AMG)
Abraham Mendoza Jun 23, 2012
I can't believe people would prefer some cars just because of the badge. That is called shallow, that's why I'd want a girl that KNOWS cars.
Jose Alfonso Macias Jun 23, 2012
People keep talking about price... Forget the price, do you realize how much a ctsv cost in Europe? It's the complete opposite of here. Ctsv over there is a foreign car and M5 is there domestic, the prices flip. People are so ignorant. The point is M5 right outbeat the ctsv in most if not all categories. Of course there are opinions but overall the bmw m5 is the better car
Adam Mitchel Jun 23, 2012
@Tim what year was the 5 series you drove?
Jamie Mcpherson Jun 23, 2012
Well said! The fact that Cadillac is giving the best in the world a run for its money, (and doing it for thousands less) says alot about how far they've come, given gm's troubles the last decade!
Jarrod Mark Price Jun 23, 2012
My argument will always be that the M5 does what it is engineered to do better than any other car engineered to do the same thing. Fast lap times, more HP and value for money are not reasons the M5 exists. They simply are not relevant to buyers.
Jarrod Mark Price Jun 23, 2012
No doubt the American super saloon is a fantastic vehicle. And that's saying something for American car engineering. I respect what they do but everything is brute forced. The reason the M5 is still king is because it isn't just about track times.
Nathalie Lyon Jun 23, 2012
@ Stephen. I don't think thats the point of this whole discussion, it's about performance. And BMW has my vote any day!
Stephen Tyler Learn Jun 23, 2012
If you need a car to pick up girls you have zero game
Tim Preisinger Jun 23, 2012
It would be unfair for me to comment about high performance handling, as I did not push it to the limit, but overall I was not impressed with the car. The 5 series I drove was even worse.
Tim Preisinger Jun 23, 2012
Rubo, I didn't take it around a race track. But yes as I said, it felt dull. The interior was bland (for a car of that price) the ride quality was...average at best, and the seats were horrible! (this is coming from a guy who likes corvettes too!)
Rubo Harutunyan Jun 23, 2012
@tim you drove a m3 and the only thing you liked is the power "everything else is dull" that leads me to think that you have never driven a my regardless of body m3 s are known to handle and have amazing feel :)
Mikey Jimenez Jun 22, 2012
@Shannon that's really shallow if you get into someone's car because of exclusivity.
Tim Preisinger Jun 22, 2012
I dont really see the excitement of a BMW either. I have driven a 3 series, 5 series and an M3. Couldn't believe how dull the 5 series was. Its just an average car with a big price tag. The M3 was decent, but only due to the power. Rest was bland IMO
Shannon Sims Jun 22, 2012
Ok guys I don't think the LADY was saying the BMW was better, because of the BADGE!!! she knows that it's a more exclusive brand with a customer base that's world wide. Bottom line, most women don't know the difference between a c6 or a zr1 and most guys do. She could care less but to be frank BMW, Mercedes, Porsche etc regardless of the model peeks there interest! Point is guys the BMW is more ...
Patrick Joseph Jun 22, 2012
If BMWs are dull. What do you think of GM cars? I love both cars. I really do. The cts v is a nice alternative. But I'd have the m5. It's not an alternative it's the benchmark. And what's wrong with you Nathalie. You made yourself sound like a slag.
Nicholas Trikounakis Jun 22, 2012
Love the CTS-V ...hate the fact that the liner is beige and the interior is black... Huge pet peave of mine... That said BMW is not much better, sat in a 2013 5 series and wasn't impressed.. Same old BMW.. Dull
Abraham Mendoza Jun 22, 2012
The inside is made of plastic? False, its LEATHER AND PLASTIC, all cars have some plastic components inside, come on.
Phillip Greene Jun 22, 2012
Haha your right I havent been in that peticular model but obviously from your coment youv never even within arms reach of a cts
Vic Orutsahakij Jun 22, 2012
The inside is made from plastic, I meant.... the quality build is not as good as the BMW, that what I try to say IMO..
Mikey Jimenez Jun 22, 2012
@Vic the caddy is made out of plastic? How is that an opinion?
Vic Orutsahakij Jun 22, 2012
@Phillip Greene you saying that BMW is uncomfortable. Have you been in the M5 F10 yet? It's very soft and nice to be in..... Caddy just made from plastic! IMO
Mikey Jimenez Jun 22, 2012
@Rubo correct me if I'm wrong but the M5 is lighter. @Natalie what kind of "lady" gets in a car because of a badge?
Vic Orutsahakij Jun 22, 2012
Honestly, you guys cannot compare prices between these two cars. If you live in US CTS-V is cheaper, but if you live somewhere else it's more expensive than the M5. And Caddy depreciates more than the M5 too! So pls stop talking about price here, and look at the performances which BMW won! Thank you.....
Chris Vette Jun 22, 2012
Logan, In 10 years the computers on the M5 will be corrupted and need replacing. I love BMW and GM, they both have issues, but I do know from experience that BMW does have software malfunctions. Not sure where you heard that GM's fall apart.
Rubo Harutunyan Jun 22, 2012
If the cts v has the best suspension why does the m5 handle better and there is a drag race against the f10 m5 vs e63 amg vs cts v vs panamera not turbo M5 murder everyone except the e63 which came in second :)
Logan LeMonnier Jun 22, 2012
I really do love the caddy though. If money was an issue id go for it hands down
Logan LeMonnier Jun 22, 2012
Although I love the cadillacs looks and the fact it's a car America can be proud of, I'd rather have the m5. German engineering really is relevant especially in a high performance sedans. And I hate GM cars. The BMW won't have stuff falling off of it
Carlos Ernesto Garcia Jun 22, 2012
Ruchard hammond had an s65 not s63. Wich costs double the M5. I agree with hammond when he said it was the best car in the world
Phillip Greene Jun 22, 2012
And it has the best suspention system in existance, just ask farrari
Abraham Mendoza Jun 22, 2012
I would take the CTS V over the BMW. First of all its cheaper. It's got crazy styling. It has a s'charged vette engine. And its cheaper.
Wyatt Gordon Jun 22, 2012
If i had the money and wanted a luxury saloon car, id get an s63 AMG, like richard hammond had in albania.
Eddie Filipovic Jun 22, 2012
Hard to beat out that CTS-V in a comparison when you consider the "bang for your buck" parameter.
Ervis At Jun 22, 2012
Their both good cars and their equal but f I had that money I wouldn't buy neither of those cars.
Mike Antill Jun 22, 2012
Of these two I would choose neither and get a C63...
Cameron Dean Jun 22, 2012
As a valet I've drivn both a number of times, for me I would take the m5 but of course I haven't driven them especially hard on a Mountain road to really get the feel.
Phillip Greene Jun 22, 2012
Bmws are uncofortable the seats are way to firm the user interface is cool but way complicated and the v looks hella more agresive in and out ... And as previously stated, only one of the two has a mans transmission
Cameron Duncan Condy Jun 22, 2012
I think to many people S beamers D. Caddy produced a car that is almost as good a the BMW at 25k less! Plus the CTS-V wagon is $&*#ing awesome! The 6.2 isn't close to producing the power it can plus the interior who cares spend that extra 25k on it.
Tim Preisinger Jun 22, 2012
Nathalie, then I'll take a girl any day over a lady who wants a car due to the badge on the front :)
Patrick Schalk Jun 22, 2012
Haha Nathalie, a 30k price hike because of a badge? No. You are mistaken
Jason Brown Jun 22, 2012
Both cars are fantastic. So basically it took 4 years for BMW to make a M5 better than a 2008 CTS-V? On top of that have it cost nearly 25k USD more? Hmmm.. I can't wait to see what The next CTS-V will be.
Nathalie Lyon Jun 22, 2012
*Correction..... *foreign cars* (overall the German built automobile is worth it's 30k price hike over the domestic counter part, but hey.... What do I know I'm just a lady!!! REMEMBER boys, girls jump in caddies LADIES jump in BMWS!!! Just saying!!
Dillon Dixon Jun 22, 2012
I think the M5 is very ugly, and I love the CTS-V. $20-$30k difference is a lot of money. If the M5 was slower than the V by one sec. Most of you would say it doesn't matter bc it's still the BMW and its just better.
Nathalie Lyon Jun 22, 2012
At: Jason ofhorrormovief... Obviously you have no idea, of what a brilliant car the M5 is. Maybe you should do better research, between American made cars and foreign riders.
John Serely Jun 22, 2012
M5 for me. I really love the styling on it. I am not a fan of the ctsv's looks on the sedan. The coupe and wagon caddy looks stunning, but the sedan just doesn't work for me for some reason. Of course, I would have to drive both, but from what I have read, the bimmer drives excellent
Tim Preisinger Jun 22, 2012
Also, yeah the BMW is faster to 60, however they post almost identical 1/4 mile times. And as far as handling... The M5 posted about a 4 second time difference around the ring. Pretty even for a car that's well over 20k more in price.
Jason Ofhorrormoviefame Jun 22, 2012
They don't even mention the $30,000 plus price tag difference between these two cars. The BMW actually depreciates faster than the Cadillac. Look at the cost of a 3 year old model of each, the M5 sheds 50k in value in just 3 years.
Tim Preisinger Jun 22, 2012
Anthony. The Caddy is much cheaper in price and out the door. Dunno what dealership your talking too, but the ones I know of it's almost the exact opposite. Out the door the caddy will run about 68k, where my friend got quoted mid 90's for the M5
Stephen Krane Jun 22, 2012
The other issue with the m5 is the speed limiter. Which I know can be removed but even then I don't know if it has a higher top speed
Anthony Villa-Garcia Jun 22, 2012
@Michael, I want you to go to a dealership and ask how much out the door the cts-v costs and do the same with the M5. you'll be surprised how equally priced they are. the mrsp on the manufacturer's website is just a suggestion, and you'll never get that. but from my experience you can haggle the price down of a bimmer, but with the cts-v you are trying to haggle how much more they are going to cha...
Anthony Villa-Garcia Jun 22, 2012
the M5 has a manual, is faster to 60 than the cts-v, but my mind is set on a e63 because its faster than both of these (way more expensive). but for the purpose of this video I'd go with the M5.
Roger James Franco Jun 22, 2012
Given the choice you'd be a fool to take the cts over the M5. Beemer craps all over the caddy on handling and driving experience. 0-60 time isn't all that matters.
Michael J Solimene Jun 22, 2012
The cts-v isn't even a comparison wit the m5 in terms of price.. The cts-v compares with the M3, isf, c63, etc.
David Justice Jun 22, 2012
@Kyle, the M5 comes with a stick too. Just watch the video.
William Downs Jun 22, 2012
id take the cts-v. looks better and it beat the m5 before and is still faster 0-60 and probally still faster then the m5, plus i can get a real manual, but i would want the wagon version though
Matt Piccolo Jun 22, 2012
I'll take the m5! I'm not a fan of the cts-v's looks but it can definitely stand it's ground performance wise. I just feel the m5 excels in both those areas while the cts-v only excels in one... But looks are personal preference
Sankar Shanmugam Jun 22, 2012
The cts is really masculine and defined I guess it's not for everyone but I think it's beautiful
Stephen Krane Jun 22, 2012
I would deff take the ctsv. It is almost as good as the m5 and you get 25k to make it better, way better then a stock m5
Kyle Smith Jun 22, 2012
Gentlemen, may I remind you that only the CTS-V is available with a 6 speed manual. Therefore if it was me buying one of the two cars I'd have to go with the CTS-V. That being said the M5 is an engineering marvel too, but perhaps not my preference.
Pierre E Jean Jun 22, 2012
The CTS-V is just a Cadillac trying to speak german but it can't
Josh Banning Jun 22, 2012
Wel he's not supporting a BMW over a Porsche, just a BMW over a cadillac
Josh Banning Jun 22, 2012
Totally agree. I think the cts-v looks crap.
Ken Louise Jun 22, 2012
Porsche name, Ferrari F430 Scud picture and supporting BMW all the way. Nice.
Description: Four years later, and the Cadillac CTS-V remains the same. However, the latest iteration of the M5 features a 553hp 4.4-liter twin-turbocharged V8 that's good for 0-60mph in 4.3 seconds with a 6-...
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John Serely Jun 24, 2012
about you disagreeing with the specs haha
John Serely Jun 24, 2012
Tin, I was talking about the new gen, not the older one. And also, Audi tends to be conservative with their specs (just like most other brands). And like I was saying, I do not care if it was actually a typo, I'd still take the S6, so I don't care
Jason Brown Jun 24, 2012
Im not saying he or car and driver are correct, but some of you guys who think you know crap should read things other than carbuzz.
Jason Brown Jun 24, 2012
John's source: I think car and driver made a mistake... http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-audi-s6-test-review?redirect=no
Grant McHendry Jun 24, 2012
There is no way an S6 got it in 3.9?
Tin Nguyen Jun 24, 2012
And Jose is right. The new s6 does 0-60 in 4.8s. So I don't understand how c&d got 3.9s on an older gen.
Tin Nguyen Jun 24, 2012
John I don't care what you'd rather have as a daily drive. I was disagreeing with you on the 0-60 time.
John Serely Jun 24, 2012
@jose nope, nice try though
Jose Alfonso Macias Jun 24, 2012
Yea john your wrong. The new S6 does 0-60 in 4.8 seconds. Even carbuzz has a slower time...
John Serely Jun 23, 2012
Lastly, I would rather have my daily driver be comfortable and practical and have my "fun" cars be the ones that are not. I'm basically saying that even if the caddy is faster, I would take an S6 (or obviously an RS6 for that matter)
John Serely Jun 23, 2012
caddy is faster, it would be my daily driver, which I need to drive in the winter, and snow is a big factor for me when I decide on my daily driver. Plus, I have sat in the V and an A6, and INO, the Audi has a much better interior.
John Serely Jun 23, 2012
@tin C&D said 3.9, and I am believing them. Remember, the Audi has AWD, which helps. It could be a typo, but they probably would have fixed it by now. Even if it was a typo, I probably would get an S6 over the CTS-V because of AWD alone. Even if the
Mikey Jimenez Jun 23, 2012
Ya cause the CTS-V stomps on the S6
Tin Nguyen Jun 23, 2012
The s6 is no match for the ctsv.
Zeus Mocha Jun 23, 2012
3.7? that's crazy, possible but crazy and something I don't believe yet. Have to research. And the S6 is really big. I would think that the RS6 would but not sure about the S6 if that was the case I think there would be more vids btwn CTSV and S6
Tin Nguyen Jun 23, 2012
According to Audi the 2013 s6 sprint from 0-100 km/h (62mph) in 4.8s. Car and driver claims 3.7s. That's a 1.1s discrepancy. 1.1s is a bigggg difference. Who do you believe? Audi or car and driver?
Tin Nguyen Jun 23, 2012
William- do you believe everything you read on the net? Put some logic into it and see if it makes any sense. Yes it's true that gearing and aero are part of the # but te main factor is still power to weight ratio.
Tin Nguyen Jun 23, 2012
Where did you get your info? Anyone can put down any #. Where's the proof? There's no way on earth a stock s6 goes 0-60 in 3.7s. A stock rs6 does it in 4.4s, so how can an s6 does it in a quicker time? Have you ever thought that they mistyped?
William Downs Jun 23, 2012
2013 audi s6 does 0-60 in 3.7seconds, thats its official time, and your retarded if u think power to weight dictates your 0-60, thats decidied on your whole package, including your gearing so stop making your selfs look stupid talking about what u dont know. if u dont know the facts then keep it to your self
Rubo Harutunyan Jun 23, 2012
@john tin is right its not 3.9sec the power to weight is way off it is too heavy with little horsepower (compared to it's weight)
Tin Nguyen Jun 22, 2012
@john, where do you see 3.9 from 0-60 for the s6? The s6 has 435Hp and it weigh over 4500lbs. You tell me it can go 0-60 in 3.9 s? The e63 weigh less with more Hp and ft-lb and goes 0-60 in 4.2s, which is believable. Check ur info again.
John Serely Jun 22, 2012
@thibault if I could have any car for 90k, that would be one of my first choices! But if I needed a super fast daily driver with four doors, I would get the S6 (probably lol)
John Serely Jun 22, 2012
@tin well, that's what car and driver said, so no offense, but im believing them over you. You can read it yourself, they did a comparison with the m5, s6 and the e63. S6 got first, e63 was second and the bimmer was third
Thibault Leroy Jun 22, 2012
if i had 90k i would buy a used first gen gallardo
Tin Nguyen Jun 22, 2012
Sorry but the s6 does not go 0-60 in 3.9 sec. That thing is so damn heavy.
John Serely Jun 22, 2012
@timothy and bob, no the S6, sorry
Bob Jones Jun 22, 2012
No, I think he's talking about the RS6?
Timothy Hooker Jun 22, 2012
an audi a6 did 0 to 60 in 3.9 sec?
Rubo Harutunyan Jun 22, 2012
C&D did 0-60 in the m5 in 3.7sec the m3 with dct does 0-60 in 3.9:)
Abraham Mendoza Jun 22, 2012
Yeah, Hennessy will bring that car up to 700 hp.
Jamie Mcpherson Jun 22, 2012
Imagine how fast u could make the cts with 25k in mods!
Alex Smith Jun 22, 2012
So it's still .3 to .4 seconds slower....?
Jason Brown Jun 22, 2012
I'm with you John. Just bought the new white A6 and it is wonderful. Picked it over the BMW 5 series, Benz E class and the New Lexus GS. You can check out my car on audiworld forum Inyoury. Just had 30% tints on front and 13% on all sides and back.
Oscar Galvan Jun 22, 2012
But the looks of this one is nice
Oscar Galvan Jun 22, 2012
Oh man I love BMW with passion but the price range is too wide so I'd go for caddy and I never like the caddyys looks
John Serely Jun 22, 2012
To be honest, If I had the money I would buy a 2013 Audi a6. It has awd, which is a must for my daily driver, it looks great, and car and driver got a 0-60 time of 3.9 seconds, which is petty damn fast. Oh, and its in between the caddy and the BMW in terms of price. As much as I love the BMW, and how I'm not a huge fan of Audi, the s6 would be my choice for a preformance sedan in that price range.
Jose Miguel Fernandez Jun 22, 2012
If I had that much money I wouldn't buy either of those cars
Paul Trahan Jun 22, 2012
Same here. I'd get the Cadillac without a doubt.
Lee Cascio Jun 27, 2012
Yeah that German engineering that you see when a 2012 Audi rolling down the road with one side of it's led headlight strip dead.
Ardavon Nazari Jun 26, 2012
M5 all the way!!!
Sebastian Grey Jun 25, 2012
The Cadillac looks better and is better.
Waleed Alshahri Jun 24, 2012
No car maker in the world could match German engineering.
Abraham Mendoza Jun 23, 2012
Oh yeah, the hood. That's the first thing I look at.
Tim Preisinger Jun 22, 2012
It's simple, but I always liked the hood on the V
Abraham Mendoza Jun 22, 2012
Yeah, its got some aggressive lines, pointy too.
Dillon Dixon Jun 22, 2012
This looks miles better than the M5
Josh Luman Jun 24, 2012
I'd take the CTS-V.
Colby Church Jun 23, 2012
CTS V owns. It looks better, it's cheaper, more luxurious, and faster. GM FTW. :)
Rubo Harutunyan Jun 22, 2012
Defiantly worth the price difference such quality and style just a pure monster
John Serely Jun 22, 2012
I'd take this without a doubt
Matt Piccolo Jun 22, 2012
Sweet pic, love the color
Lee Cascio Jun 27, 2012
I want the STS-V
Josh Luman Jun 24, 2012
I agree. Both are excellent cars, it really boils down to personal preference.
Abraham Mendoza Jun 23, 2012
It is a choice of preference, and location.
Jordan Smith Jun 22, 2012
I think it all boils down to taste. I'd take the CTS-V over the BMW but I'd be a pretty hard choice.
Thibault Leroy Jun 22, 2012
i think we can all agree that these are both great cars
Timothy Hooker Jun 22, 2012
BMW all the way on looks. its so sexy
Kenneth Poskey Jun 22, 2012
I have to disagree. I think that both are very sexy cars.
Mustafa Alshekhly Jun 22, 2012
The cts v has better engine and better price but when it comes to the body the m5 is much more attractive
John Serely Jun 22, 2012
Love the color on the m5