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Miranda Nearlydriftingondreams Pavelle May 01, 2012
Sounds fun. Plane tickets, anyone? ( I'm more partial to European track driving myself, but pushing a machine to its gleeful limit is always fun).
Clint Edwards May 01, 2012
I've heard about this, real neat program
Anthony Pesaturo May 01, 2012
That's not Miami its palm beach international raceway
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Description: Can it keep up until the finish? Make your picks now and check out the awesome action below on this week's edition of Drag Race Tuesdays. Big ups to Sandra for the tip!
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Alex Arvanitis May 02, 2012
If I build up an na motor, ls mills are the way to go. But even the Hennessy ls mill you brought up had issues during testing. I believe it blew an oil seal and started leaking. There's a YouTube vid that it did it in when motortrend tested vs viper
Alex Arvanitis May 02, 2012
The ls series are great motors and I love the weight to power ratio but I'm a turbo fan and modulars work better with turbos compared to ls motors. My engine builder explained a few things to research about ls turbo motors. Once I did, I went mod
prodrag May 02, 2012
its cool. we all do. plus phones suck when it comes to typing.
Mikey Jimenez May 02, 2012
Ignored that comment, I misread what you put.
prodrag May 02, 2012
what about the vette? I thought we were talking pony cars bro?
Mikey Jimenez May 02, 2012
Corvette ring a bell?
prodrag May 02, 2012
well they got to catch up after how many years the camaro not being on the market?
Mikey Jimenez May 02, 2012
Have they sold 100,000,000? Oh no didn't think so. that's why the Camaro out sold it for the past 2 years huh?
prodrag May 02, 2012
yeah and people still buy 302's like crazy still.
Mikey Jimenez May 02, 2012
@prodrag that made sense lol. There's reason people still buy them.
prodrag May 02, 2012
Because Chevy put them in almost everything. I see why there are that many.
Mikey Jimenez May 02, 2012
ford sells that many.
Mikey Jimenez May 02, 2012
Statistically LS motors are more trusted around the gear head community. One more fact to throw in there GM didn't sell 100,000,000 small blocks because they're unreliable there's a reason why so many people have bought them, come back at me when
Mikey Jimenez May 02, 2012
Gotten rewards for it. There's also a reason why tuners use them in there cars. Zenvo, Hennessy, Lingenfelter, Redline motor sports ect. I can't count how many time I've seen mustangs with SBC and BBC'S.
Mikey Jimenez May 02, 2012
Let's be honest now what's more common to have 1000+ engines? that is what the LS line up is known cheap to squeeze out big power and reliable. Ford coyote motors are not known for that. LS blocks themselves are practically bullet proof they have
prodrag May 02, 2012
Didn't the original ZL1 come with a 427?
Alex Arvanitis May 02, 2012
The parts just do more for longevity and efficiency because they help hold boost much better. Sacrifice is weight; ls mills can weigh 425-540lbs, 03-13 4v's weigh 575-700~. Fact, the 96-98 cobra's teksid aluminum block has been proven to hold 1500hp
Alex Arvanitis May 02, 2012
All understandable assertions. Older ford motors did break, I'm not saying all ford motors are stronger, I'm saying 4v modulars from 03-2013 are very strong. They all came with forged motors and strong studs factory. More parts yes, but very simple
Patrick Schalk May 02, 2012
When you are pushing near 1000hp. Reliability becomes a luxury. And it depends on your definition of reliability. I've seen plenty of FI LS motors that have not had one problem with them. Modular engines are gonna have more parts to break.
Mikey Jimenez May 02, 2012
You have your opinions I have mine. I grew up with both companies out of those two our Chevys were a lot more reliable.
Alex Arvanitis May 02, 2012
Street cars are different. If you want reliable 1,000hp mills, modular heads are much safer. This is why a tt viper or vette fails more often than a tt ford gt or cobra. You get more safety that you can dial in to the tune with cam timing in ohv's.
Alex Arvanitis May 02, 2012
@ Mikey; I implied ls mills don't like boost as well as modulars do. Many engine builders will tell you building a turbo ls motor is more involved than a turbo modular. Drag race mills only have to last a few runs at each venue, mechanics on site.
rahp May 02, 2012
its not how much power ... but how long it can make that power. I've built two stock block coupes with 350hp and 300 shot of dual stage nitrous that each lasted over 2 seasons of drag racing at my local tracks every Friday Saturday night ... but I've also seen the exact same setup blow a rod out the of the block on the third pass. I build gm, mopar and Ford I just prefer everything about the mus...
prodrag May 02, 2012
@ Alex. I know what article you are talking about that 03 cobra making over a 1000hp. I think it was called "the Manhattan project ". I was amazed how a bone stock engine could make that power.
prodrag May 02, 2012
Nothing like drag racing!!!!
Mikey Jimenez May 01, 2012
@Joel and then you woke up haha lol.
Mikey Jimenez May 01, 2012
Did you just call small block chevy unreliable lol, there's a reason why they sell so well. LS motors are freaking bullet proof they're made to withstand a big amount of HP and torque. That's what they're known for.
Joel Hope May 01, 2012
My 5million HP 1.5jz post was deleted? Well here's another one
Alex Arvanitis May 01, 2012
Race gas it's a 4 digit machine, I only run 15psi on pump gas (shitty 91 octane premium up here) Really though, check that "1188whp 03 cobra hellion" on google, I love chevy's and fords, and anything well built, I just hate that late model is heavy!
Alex Arvanitis May 01, 2012
scrapped the idea. My 5.4 4v build has tons of power contrary to the small displacement (335ci .020) On pump gas: 885whp from 4800-6700 with 912wtq from 3900-4400 and over 800wtq the rest of the graph. Pushrod can be faster but it's less reliable.
Alex Arvanitis May 01, 2012
Mikey, I know what your saying about displacement and that's why I almost built a 434 small block with twin 67's out of a c5 but when I read and learned how hard it was to get the engine to reliably accept the boost I'd need to make 1000hp, I....
Patrick Joseph May 01, 2012
I just had to watch it twice. That camaro sounds really good. Sounds like pure power.
Mikey Jimenez May 01, 2012
@Darren It's in Miami. Note to self read next time :)
Darren Nardo May 01, 2012
Stop bitching !!! Both awesome cars !! Great race . What a great program. Really need something like this in Philly!
Mikey Jimenez May 01, 2012
Series and 327, 350, 383...ect
Mikey Jimenez May 01, 2012
@Alex you also have to take powerband into account having such a small displacement. OHC engines are great but will never be on the level of OHV engines (the LS line up). I'm sorry remind me the most sold small block in history? O ya it's the LS
Devin Babyn May 01, 2012
That's a race spec engine. It has no point in this argument
Phillip Greene May 01, 2012
Ok bro you are definatly retarded, top fuel cars with well over 2000hp use exclusively 500ci pushrod motors, pushrod motors will always take more of a beating than modular, im not saying modulars cant handle 800bhp but they sure as hell cant handle 2500bhp
Alex Arvanitis May 01, 2012
Mikey; Google "1188whp 1015wtq hellion 03 cobra" Proof of a stock long block 03 cobra making plenty more than 800hp with an untouched motor from the head studs to the crankshaft-all stock. No fantasy land man, 4v modulars hold tons of power.
Brandon Contreras May 01, 2012
Wow... A drag car lost against a street car...
Alex Arvanitis May 01, 2012
s. This is nothing new, look it up. @ Mikey; I've seen lsx warhawks. Nice. Still not as good at taking boost as modulars. With in block cam pushrod motors, boost is much more dangerous as the cam, valves, pushrods an heads must work perfectly with
Alex Arvanitis May 01, 2012
@ all who came at me: Heads, cam, rockers, intake, and exhaust on a fox body is literally $3500 and that's factoring for gaskets et al. Foxbody's were running 10's n/a like the above with slicks, control arms, weight reduction, and gears in the 90'
Abraham Mendoza May 01, 2012
I respect the car for performing that well, but its totally fair when one is modified way more than the other. Plus, it weighs a lot less and is probably more aerodynamic than the camaro.
Patrick Schalk May 01, 2012
But there's 60s car that have the same technology that are way faster than both of these. All about who has deeper pockets.
Patrick Schalk May 01, 2012
If it's able to keep up with a ZL1 that has that much money into it, it has a CRAP ton of aftermarket parts on it.
Matthew Crighton May 01, 2012
@Patrick, in some ways it does matter. Even though the mustang is modified, it still has older technology, and its less areodinamic. But you do have a point because the stang probably has alot more mods and that might somewhat make up for it.
Patrick Schalk May 01, 2012
This is NOT a race between a stock notchback and a modified ZL1. Read this comment. I don't know how else to make this more clear. If you can't understand this race, your logic skills do not exist.
Matthew Crighton May 01, 2012
@Abraham, you have a point, but i still think the mustang deserves credit for holding its own against a bran new car.
Patrick Schalk May 01, 2012
Rahp you just state my point. Why are people so stupid on this article? It doesn't matter if that Fox is 20 years old. It's modified! The engine is modified. MODIFIED. Both cars are MODIFIED. They are NOT stock. It doesn't matter how old the body is
Mario Callirgos May 01, 2012
I would take the Camaro over the fox any day, those cars look pitiful! Pretty embarrassing driving them! 5.0 engines are sweet tho. New stang> new camari
Abraham Mendoza May 01, 2012
Matthew, the Mustang originally came out with 180 hp. It probably has 600. How is 550 to 750 equally modified?
Matthew Crighton May 01, 2012
Haha i just noticed that its the worlds fastest camaro against a 20 year old mustang so no wonder the camaro won.
Craig Lafey May 01, 2012
I'm a chevy guy but that was a great race. That Camaro is awesome.
rahp May 01, 2012
@patrick flawed logic??? You must not have read the article ... the zl1 is heavily modified or else it would not be the "worlds fastest zl1". Do you really think they got where they are at MSRP? For all the money they spent buying and building a decent zl1 .. they could have built an unbeatable GT500 ... for less (including MSRP)
Clint Edwards May 01, 2012
Those fox bodies were oogly but you can make those things fly for not a lot of cash
Matthew Crighton May 01, 2012
Plus everyone is saying that the only reason the stang kept up is because it was modified. But the camaro was probly moded just as much.
Matthew Crighton May 01, 2012
Wow-everyone is saying that the camaro is better but the mustang came within half a second of that camaro and its 20 years older
Tim Preisinger May 01, 2012
Why does it matter how old the car is?? As I said before you can have a 40 year old car blow the doors off any modern day car with the right mods.
Tim Preisinger May 01, 2012
I'm a chevy guy, but I don't think alex is totally full of it. Those 5.0's can be very cheap to mod and really nasty. I wouldn't be surprised to see one with 4k in motor mods, stripped interior, some suspension work and slicks run really low 11's
Robert Shurtz May 01, 2012
Ooooo (sarcasm) Camaro is so cool, a 2013 ZL1 beating such an old car, and I don't care that the mustang was modified, it's still lame to put a new Camaro against such an old car
Joel Hope May 01, 2012
A car could have 3500 of engine mods an the bet suspension in the world and unless it was running 11 flat stock it's not running 10s with 3500 in engine and 10000000 in suspension.
Stephen Tyler Learn May 01, 2012
You have very unrealistic views of how cars work
Stephen Tyler Learn May 01, 2012
@Alex you don't take 4 seconds off your e.t. With some performance mods and suspension parts. The mustang in this video is a good car but it has alot of work done to it. A stock mustang lx like this posts about a 95mph trap speed.
Chris webb May 01, 2012
Silly rustang thinking he could win ha
Alex Smith May 01, 2012
Don't get butt hurt bro.
Danny Scott May 01, 2012
Yeah it's kinda funny that some one else is more mad than the person who actually lost...
Patrick Schalk May 01, 2012
Alex is mighty upset his Moostang got beat.
Mikey Jimenez May 01, 2012
@Alex chill the hell out haha. Is it necessary to insult me? I'm not saying that they can't handle 800+ HP all saying is not on STOCK internals. There's no way in hell! I'll look up whatever you told me to look if you look up, LSX Warhawk motors.
Alex Arvanitis May 01, 2012
Oh; an 03 cobra went 10.80@125 with -intake -pulley -tune -exhaust -4.10's -ported blower (eBay buy) -slicks ~$3,900. The story is somewhere on svtperformance.com if you look for it. It's a thread from 2008? I believe
Alex Arvanitis May 01, 2012
@ Stephan: read. I said 3.5 k in motor mods, I said right after that it must have a bunch of chassis mods too because it hooked and pulled straight. That said plenty of cars run 10's without any mods, 2013 gtr, 2012 aventador, mclaren f1, etc.
Alex Arvanitis May 01, 2012
mods and other parts. Motor mods, 3.5k will get a 5.0 to trap 123 though, then you need suspension, tires etc. I made two posts early, :read: Also mike, check out some stuff on 4v modulars between 2003-2013. Then come tell me they don't hold 800hp.
Alex Arvanitis May 01, 2012
Hey mike, my tt 4.6 as well as many others did make 800whp on stock internals. You live in ignorance, I'll live in my land. Do some research on modulars then talk shit you dumb ass. I never said this 5.0 only has 3k in mods, I said he has chassis
Mikey Jimenez May 01, 2012
O and thanks CarBuzz for not having a GT-R this week!
Mikey Jimenez May 01, 2012
I'm hate to break it to you guys but with out slicks the GT500 is going to have a hard time launching.
Mikey Jimenez May 01, 2012
Alex lives in fantasyland. He tried to convince me that you can pull 800+ from a TT4.6L with out touching the internals and crank.
Razor Curtiss May 01, 2012
Great race but I know if the new mustang gt500 raced that zl1 then I'm pretty sure the mustang woulda won
Stephen Tyler Learn May 01, 2012
Yup just checked to be sure. stock that mustang runs a 14.7ish
Drew Storrusten May 01, 2012
Hey that looks just like my Lx coupe!!! Lol. Except I don't have a 5.0 HO. :(
Stephen Tyler Learn May 01, 2012
@Alex no car runs a 10.95 with 3500 dollars worth of mods. That's a full 3-4 seconds faster than what the car does stock.
Alex Arvanitis May 01, 2012
I bet the 5.0 does have a decent amount of suspension and chassis mods though because it launched hard and pulled dead straight. People have run 7 second times in fox's on drag radials... I think 6's were pulled in an sn95 on drag radials too! (6.93)
Alex Arvanitis May 01, 2012
Heavily modded with a 123mph trap? Not really. Probably an e303, twisted wedge heads, full exhaust, ram air and maybe a freshened bottom end with 10:1 compression. That's like $3,500 in engine mods and maybe 410hp. 5.0's run 125 with 425hp on slicks
Patrick Schalk May 01, 2012
Rahp anyone can build a car cheaper than buying a new one at MSRP. Your logics are pretty flawed right now
wfdowns May 01, 2012
know whats gonna be hilarous is if the gt500 ends up being slower around the tracks then the zl1. i just like how everyone assumes its gonna stomp the zl1 and only official thing we have is the hp numbers.... but i wont be suprised if it does stomp the camaro
Bruce-Almighty Tumblin May 01, 2012
That's how you out run the Police, lol! Great race though, Mustang vs Camaro, Chevrolet vs Ford battle will never end; but its good to talk about.
rahp May 01, 2012
yeah I could have worded it better but I want to see the worlds fastest zl1 race one of the faster gt500 street cars ... not even the worlds fastest. I have 2 fox coupes ... one for drag and one for road course. I also have a 2010 GT500 that I wouldn't hesitate to put up against any zl1. Even with 780hp and a full road course suspension I have invested way less than what a base zl1 costs. the ...
Boyd Boudreaux May 01, 2012
I'm a chevy man, but when gt's and lx's of that era hit the street they where the kings of the late night street drags. And the lx's were faster than the gt's, because they were lighter. Great race
Matt Moeller May 01, 2012
They should make all these youtube win videos while they still can, the 2013 Shelby is coming to rain on your parade ;-)
Zeus Mocha May 01, 2012
Sweet I can't wait for the 13 GT500 to be out. Pure war.
Taylor Little May 01, 2012
I almost expected the camaro to pull away but damn if the notchback didn't hang in there. Awesome drag.
Tim Preisinger May 01, 2012
Doesn't matter that the mustang is 22 years old. It's heavily modded. There are 2000+HP cars from the 60's running around. My 71 Nova would beat just about any modern day car (in a straight line). Older cars are generally speaking much lighter too
rahp May 01, 2012
wow. The zl1 barely beat a 22 year old pushrod 302. let the fastest zl1 race leathal performances GT500!
prodrag May 02, 2012
I agree. Blowers all the way!!!!
Mikey Jimenez May 02, 2012
For muscle cars superchargers are where it's at instant power!!!
Alex Arvanitis May 02, 2012
Merc/BMW are doing tt v8's now, 5-8 yrs and most manufacturers will too. They can afford to spearhead the industry and then stuff trickles down ala mass market hid's, suspension tech, etc etc
Alex Arvanitis May 02, 2012
And next gen zl1 with twins and a 3600# curb weight. Same as below ala gt500! Dodge needs this too
Alex Arvanitis May 02, 2012
I wanna see an IRS tt 5.0 coyote in the next gt500. Imagine a 3600# stang that pulls 1.05g and has 700hp from 5500-7000rpms? Awesome. Now factor it'll probably get 16/26mpg too. (current 5.8 sc gets 15/24)
Alex Arvanitis May 02, 2012
awesome because I built the suspension with maximum motorsports American iron suspension kit f/r. The fact American iron series exists proves muscle cars do have a place on the track. Also, the boss vs 1le is fair. Gt500 vs zl1 fair Zl1 vs boss?
prodrag May 02, 2012
dude, it wasn't a traditional mustang when they put a 4 banger back when they had a pushrod.
Mikey Jimenez May 02, 2012
I'm glad we came to an agreement haha.
Mikey Jimenez May 02, 2012
Ya I think that would be a cool option having to choose between the two. I'm not the chassis is not American it's Australian so I don't know to much about it.
Mikey Jimenez May 02, 2012
I can easily say that the mustang is not a traditional muscle car cause it doesn't have a Pushrod.
prodrag May 02, 2012
By the way, what is the camaros IRS basted off of? Is that a 12 bolt or something new? I can't find anything. I guess I'm not looking in the right areas.
prodrag May 02, 2012
I got agree with you on that. that's why I think they should make it if you want straight or IRS, you can choose.
prodrag May 02, 2012
true but the people who bought them converted them to a straight because they got sick of snapping them.
Mikey Jimenez May 02, 2012
why not? Ford had IRS back in 03 I don't see the problem with them having it now.
Mikey Jimenez May 02, 2012
They didn't stab me in the back. They need cars that can not only go in a straight line but go around a corner. People want cars that you can take to the track on Saturday, take to the strip on Sunday, and to work on Monday. If you can have all three
prodrag May 02, 2012
I know Chevy can do great things with the straight axle. I feel they stabbed the Chevy fans in the back because its not a traditional muscle car. Lets be real, you see more mustangs and camaros bashing out on the drag strip then on the road course. IRS can't take the load on the strip.
Mikey Jimenez May 02, 2012
And look at what the ZL1 did to rain on it's parade... Haha Just give up
prodrag May 02, 2012
haha. look what the boss 302 has done.
Mikey Jimenez May 02, 2012
Straight are the dumbest thing ford did . Ford got the hint that's why the next gen is going be a IRS
Mikey Jimenez May 02, 2012
And I would love if the mustang still used a PUSHROD but we can't have everything. Times have changed we need cars that could perform not just straight line speed so get over it.
prodrag May 02, 2012
I would love the Zl1 was a straight axle. This proves that people are going to drag race the camaros mustangs more then road race. They are a muscle cars
Alex Arvanitis May 02, 2012
4300/1.25** correction
Alex Arvanitis May 02, 2012
Id love to see the next gens all stay under 3500lbs since smaller chassis are coming. A 3/4 scale challenger that's 3/4th the weight would rock. 4300/.25= 3440lbs. Imagine a 470hp hemi in that much lighter of a car, awesome. Same et al mod muscle
Alex Arvanitis May 02, 2012
Oh haha; Ford: Fix or repair daily First on race day Flips on rainy days For old retired dummies Etc I like all things done well I just hate that late model muscle has to be so heavy. I'd love the zl1 if it were 3750lbs. Same gt500 but 3850's ok.
rahp May 02, 2012
Just having fun .. was wanting to see if there were any Ford ones other than Found on road dead, and I figured that would get it started!! Lmao!! If its a fast car I love it reguardless of brand .... I own both bow ties and blue ovals!
Alex Arvanitis May 02, 2012
Andrew I'm replying to people who asked a question. This mustake is an ugly car but no uglier than 3rd gen surpra's, c4 vette's, 3rd gen camaro's, or 1st gen vipers, and guess why? It's from that time period. Look at an f40, notice boxiness? 1990
Mikey Jimenez May 02, 2012
@rahp trolling hard I see. You mad your little stang got stomp on?
rahp May 02, 2012
I know that RS stands for really slow, SS is a super sled but what did government motors mean by ZL1 ... zipper licker?
Andrew Grimm May 01, 2012
You keep going on and on about that mustake........
Alex Arvanitis May 01, 2012
Also no sign of a front mount on the foxbody and it obviously launches very well which is common for n/a cars because power is ubber linear. Of note, I watched the vid again just now and gotta say it's awesome that it hangs so well with a +13mph car
Alex Arvanitis May 01, 2012
P1sc's on 5.0's make 380whp with 8psi. So equiped they trap 120 all day (with chassis mods) The car sounds like it has exhaust and a cam so itd be odd to run a p1sc at 6~psi along with a cam and exhaust. If he went Kenne bell, same story. No whine.
Alex Arvanitis May 01, 2012
It be odd to only put a pro charger p1sc on a car and call it heavily modified like the text described. Of note, foxbody shortblocks only take 450whp before they start breaking. It'd be odd to run 415~whp with a p1sc/light bolt ons/cam setup.
Patrick Schalk May 01, 2012
You can't look at a trap speed and determine weight and power. Doesn't work that way.
Mikey Jimenez May 01, 2012
@Devin were? Lol he kept going on about weight and blah blah blah..
Devin Babyn May 01, 2012
He just explained to you exactly why he believes it wouldn't be. Stop nit picking
Patrick Schalk May 01, 2012
Out of all that ranting you still don't know if this car is NA
Alex Arvanitis May 01, 2012
Notch backs were 150lbs lighter than hatch backs, hatches weighed 2780-2850lbs and notch's were 2630-2700 depending on options etc. Exhaust and aluminum heads/intake drop about 70lbs off a notch or more. Notch's with 400whp trapped 125mph ~1990's
Alex Arvanitis May 01, 2012
123 trapspeed, unless it only has a p1sc on stock everything. 380whp in these cars is enough for 123, imagine a 2011 boss 302 that is 1000 lbs lighter. Those trap 115~ stock, with 1000 fewer lbs it's easy to see why notch's were so fast back then.
Patrick Schalk May 01, 2012
How do you know this Mustang is NA?
Alex Arvanitis May 01, 2012
N/a car with maybe 450hp against an sc car with 750hp... 450hp is high even because a 123 trap speed in that chassis is maybe 415hp, those weigh 2600#'s with simple exhaust mods. If he took a few things out like spare etc, it could be 2550lbs~
Mikey Jimenez May 01, 2012
*It's heavily modified to.
Mikey Jimenez May 01, 2012
@Stephen I agree. @Bruce it's heavily modified haha wow. My uncles 64 Suburban runs 10's all day with an old 502 PUSHROD engine so what's your point?
Stephen Tyler Learn May 01, 2012
Ford never should have stopped using pushrods
wfdowns May 01, 2012
holy crap that supercharger was loud
Bruce-Almighty Tumblin May 01, 2012
That old pushrod 302 was still hanging with a New modified ZL1, but fear not the NEW SNAKE is on its way :-)
Chris Bridgers May 01, 2012
Fox stangs r sexy
Abraham Mendoza May 01, 2012
Wow, props to that stang for hanging with a tuned ZL1. And its a police car!!!
Andrew Grimm May 01, 2012
Eww. That mustake is hideous.