Comments - Lincoln Developing New Navigator

Published: Oct 23, 2012
Description: Although it's still some time off, Lincoln is hard at work on its next-generation full-size Navigator SUV and like its Ford F-150 platform mate, some significant changes are likely to happen. Bef...
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Chris Penza Oct 23, 2012
The grand Cherokee is nicer than these will ever be. I'll take one over a navigator any day
Nodnarb Ydil Oct 24, 2012
Hopefully this won't be remembered at all
Jorge Garcia Villacorta Oct 24, 2012
Horrrrribleeeeee!!! I
Zachary Fix Oct 24, 2012
This is one of those cars that's not very remembered by their looks but what they can do
Jordan Neal Oct 24, 2012
So they have put a lincoln badge on a jeep then.
Mat Ronn Oct 24, 2012
they're def very big
Chaz Gill Oct 23, 2012
They aren't ugly but they aren't beautiful either.
Brendon Davis Oct 23, 2012
@Tanton: 2007. Lmao
Aaron Crisp Oct 23, 2012
@Zachary There was a rollover accident in an Expedition on the freeway outside my town and I couldn't even recognize it, looked like a convertible. 3/4 of the passengers were killed. Had to read in the newspaper to know what kinda truck it was.
Tanton Stoneman Oct 23, 2012
When was the last time this piece of shit was updated??
Zachary Maurer Oct 23, 2012
These suck at rollovers (as to be expected) my friend and his sister were killed in the ford based one, the expedition, but they are extremely comfortable, and yes ugly
Erik Rudolph Oct 23, 2012
We were going straight and he was turning left without paying attention and hit us
Erik Rudolph Oct 23, 2012
My friend and I got into an accident with one of these
Justin Brest Oct 23, 2012
these are so nice but so ugly!
Jack Howard Oct 23, 2012
The LS was pretty cool back in the day
Brendan Bell Oct 23, 2012
I like the headlights
David Justice Oct 23, 2012
Only Lincoln I like. Actually, let me rephrase: only NEW Lincoln I like. They had some beasts in the past.
Jordan Jackson Oct 23, 2012
They're actually pretty nice for what they are
Description: As in the case of the next F-150, the Navigator may also feature extensive use of aluminum in an effort to eliminate some extra pounds. Expect to see a lineup of engines that'll include the 3.5-l...
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Jordan Jackson Oct 24, 2012
Huh, a turboed V8 in a Taurus sounds like a good idea for the SHO, the car would benefit greatly from the power but the weight of the car would mean it wouldn't canibalize mustang sales
Shelby Cassandra Oct 23, 2012
V8 ecoboost!? I would love one of those for my Taurus. I wonder how much more it will cost for that option.
Jason Brower Oct 23, 2012
I don't think a v8 eco boost would be good for the mustang. The current Eco boost is a great truck/SUV motor, but the next one would have to be fundamentally different to work in a performance car application.
Aaron Crisp Oct 23, 2012
They don't need to when they have the SC GT500. Maybe a special edition or something though.
Erik Rudolph Oct 23, 2012
Twin turbo v8 sounds nice they should use it in the mustang if they decide to use it
Description: All this, of course, is speculative at this time, but it does sound about right as Lincoln strives to compete more effectively with Cadillac. If that's ever going to happen, then positioning the ...
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Jeff Bayura Oct 25, 2012
Lincoln needs to get the lead out,get rid of the drag me down people and start making something that will even shock the shit out of the germans
Sukhjinder Singh Mahal Oct 23, 2012
although this is 07, it looks much more modern and apealing than the new navigator
Patrick Schalk Oct 23, 2012
I don't ever see the Navigator being on the same level as the Escalade. Caddy is too far ahead.
Shelby Cassandra Oct 23, 2012
@Brandon. The escalade is the main competitor. They're comparing them as well as bringing insight to what Lincoln will do to the current model.
Brandon McKnight Oct 23, 2012
Why would you show escalade pics?
Aaron Crisp Oct 23, 2012
I'm with Zach Attack!
Aaron Crisp Oct 23, 2012
I think Cadillac is thriving. It makes me happy. I may not be a GM fanboy but I sure am a domestic fanboy!
Shelby Cassandra Oct 23, 2012
Most GM cars still do suck. Some not bad though.
Zachary Maurer Oct 23, 2012
Gm ftw? Hahaha sure... Although gm produces great cars now, back before 2010, they sucked, I think all of the big 3 are doing great right now, instead of gm ftw, it should be American cars ftw :D
Zaire Wilkins Oct 23, 2012
these escalades arent really all of that i perfer the mercedes GL or the QX56
Aaron Crisp Oct 23, 2012
Merging the big three would do nothing besides create a domestic monopoly. Where would the muscle car wars go?
James McMahon Oct 23, 2012
I would much rather one of the Domestics over a European maker anyday
Adam Beiersdorfer Oct 23, 2012
Will have to merge together to stay competitive... This Ford, Chevy, and not mentioned yet Dodge talk is sooo clearly dead since the 90's... We'll see how long this size stays with new EPA requirements...
Adam Beiersdorfer Oct 23, 2012
I still laugh at the idea of a three way fight of domestic brands... All three fell wayyyy behind the curve compared to what was/is coming out of Europe and Asia. Exception being diesel powered trucks... I foresee a day when the Americans brands
Bryan Morell Oct 23, 2012
ford received loans that were fully paid back they were never bailed out
Ryan Spencer Oct 23, 2012
Also, Jack's original comment wasn't even about Ford: he was simply stating that, back in '08 and '09, GM was going to go bankrupt and would have failed if uncle Sam didn't help.
Ryan Spencer Oct 23, 2012
Ford DID NOT receive BAILOUT money. Ford DID receive approximately $30B in gov't loans to invest in fuel-efficiency research and thus overhaul their factories. it seems both company and carbuzz commentators alike are incapable of truth.
Dylan Bruder Oct 23, 2012
All the big 3 received govt money so the jokes getting old do the research if your going to pull the trigger
Jack Howard Oct 23, 2012
Well seeing as they went bankrupt and the govt had to bail them out, they were about to go somewhere...
Paul Dickey Oct 23, 2012
Not even close to every time.
Paul Dickey Oct 23, 2012
GM for the win? Hahaha
Colby Church Oct 23, 2012
This looks clean, and no doubt the next Escalade will be cleaner and more badass. Good luck Lincoln, you're gonna need it, because it doesn't look like Cadillac is playing around, and they're not going anywhere. GM FTW everytime. ;)
Ross Vermillion Oct 24, 2012
Patrick is right plus you can't go wrong with the 6.2l here
Patrick Schalk Oct 23, 2012
What? The Navi is a turd compared to a Platinum Escalade.
Shelby Cassandra Oct 23, 2012
@Justin. Hands down the Lincoln wins in the luxury department.
Justin Brest Oct 23, 2012
as far as looks, caddie wins but as far as gizmos, great ride and interior goes I believe the Lincoln wins
Matt Piccolo Oct 23, 2012
I've never been a fan of these... IMO they're WAY over priced
David Hicks Oct 23, 2012
Hektik rims brah, seeing your reflection in them is fully-sick!
Colby Church Oct 23, 2012
As the Kool-Aid man would say after he busts through a wall "Ohhhhh Yeaaah!"
John Serely Oct 23, 2012
This is much better IMO
Edgar Jauregui Oct 23, 2012
Am I the only one who likes this better than the caddy? The exterior is controversial but the interior is great, it's the engine that's out of place.
Sam Biggin Oct 23, 2012
These things are nothing on a range rover
Mustafa Ahmedani Aug 29, 2013
Chris Friend, finally! Someone who doesn't totally hate or love the Navi! I agree, work needs to be done, but the interior of the Navi is definitely better, and the exterior of the Escalade is better.
Shelby Cassandra Oct 24, 2012
@Justin. Thanks.. I think? Not sure if you just called me a stubborn bitch or not.
Chris Friend Oct 24, 2012
Wow you stop using this app for a month and you miss EVERYTHING. As far as Lincoln itself goes, I would take one over Cadillac (so much nicer IMO) but I do admit the Navi needs some work done on it. Still a very lovely SUV.
Scott Shrader Oct 24, 2012
@andy....best comment on this thread
Kyle Rawn Oct 24, 2012
How much are you willing to bet?
Jordan Jackson Oct 24, 2012
After all, you only have 121 posts, and I would be willing to bet half of them are on this one page
Jordan Jackson Oct 24, 2012
@adam, it's not your facts that are going to get you banned, it's your constant spamming with them, the attempting to drown out the other arguers with the shear number of post you have
Adam Beiersdorfer Oct 24, 2012
Yes, clearly when I cite my sources, and mention simple facts and figures, I am being a fanboy, and being untrue. I forget this forum is open to anyone an everyone. Including those who aren't old enough to drive, or have opinions off experiences.
Aaron Crisp Oct 24, 2012
Shelby won't end up like Conner... She is factual. Adam on the other hand is gonna end up like Conner... Speaking of Adam, I miss that other Adam that would always call Conner a fag.
Justin Brest Oct 24, 2012
o and Shelby you may be hot... but arguing about cars passionately just made you a lot hotter! lol
Justin Brest Oct 24, 2012
@ Adam, clearly you're a fanboy of the most annoying kind... o... and can... you stop using... "..." ... in place of anything ... that could be consid... ered.... basic grammar... I mean... really...?
Justin Brest Oct 24, 2012
damn Shelby! you've gotten on my nerves before but I have to say I basicly agree with everything you've said.
Michael Davidson Oct 23, 2012
Hahaha Connor... I remember those dumb arguments.
Kyle Rawn Oct 23, 2012
Snap, son. It appears Shelby can hold her own on this Fanboybuzz app. Hopefully she doesn't end like Connor though.
Shelby Cassandra Oct 23, 2012
@Jackson. You look 13. Graduate from high school and come back. My Taurus is nicer than anything you will ever own.
Shelby Cassandra Oct 23, 2012
@Adam. I'll admit KBB probably isn't incredibly accurate, but it's the only thing I could think of off the top of my head.
Sukhjinder Singh Mahal Oct 23, 2012
not really feeling the proce tag
Patrick Schalk Oct 23, 2012
This design is nowhere close to the Escalade.
Michael Davidson Oct 23, 2012
Can all of you please stop arguing?!?!?
Jackson Bond Oct 23, 2012
She owns a Taurus, she's no longer allowed to talk about cars. I can't stand any ford or its underlings except the European rally specs from the group b days, and the f-series trucks are ok.
Adam Beiersdorfer Oct 23, 2012
Lincoln has a lot of improvements to make to catch back up in the Luxury Market because the car buyer now wants MUCH more than just a smooth ride and what Lincoln has offered for the last 30 years...As one disillusioned fan, I hope they do come back
Adam Beiersdorfer Oct 23, 2012
In simple terms, it's faster, more fuel efficient, better safety ratings, more stylish, handling dynamics that can range from smooth as can be, to forgetting your in a boat of an SUV... Oh, an it loses 6% of its value after 1 yr... & record sales..
Adam Beiersdorfer Oct 23, 2012
This was right in line with a whole sale value for it... The truth is, there is a reason Lincoln is floundering, and the German brands grew during the recession... A cheap facade is easy to see through and an Insult to the buyers
Adam Beiersdorfer Oct 23, 2012
What is real is True Market Value... The last Navi we appraises was 1 yr old... Had 9k miles on it, and the most a Lincoln dealership would offer for it was $29k when it was a 63,000.00 MSRP...
Adam Beiersdorfer Oct 23, 2012
The fact you feel KBB is a fair and unbiased site shows your ignorance to the process... Seeing as I have been involved in Luxury sales for years... This is comical... But KBB told me this is how much my car is worth? Haha...
Shelby Cassandra Oct 23, 2012
In reality, Lincoln's are a rebadged Ford on the outside, but on the inside they are completely different. I understand what you are saying though.
Micheal Andrews Oct 23, 2012
Then there are American cars with nice interiors. All I'm saying is that European cars have had a better build quality. Our american automakers have started to fix that in the past couple years, and I'm glad. But lincoln is still very old and bland.
Micheal Andrews Oct 23, 2012
Fanboy. I like cars that have bold, nice looking interiors. I like both American and European cars, but I think that American Automakers have dropped the ball when it comes to interiors. And that there are more European cars with nice interiors
Shelby Cassandra Oct 23, 2012
So you just threw out the "high quality materials, and technologically advanced infotainment systems." I'll give you the bold styling part though.
Micheal Andrews Oct 23, 2012
Here, let me give you some examples of American cars that have interiors that I like: Ford Focus titanium, ford fiesta, jeep Grand Cherokee overland summit, Dodge Dart SXT, Chrysler 300, Dodge Charger. That was to show you that I'm not a European ...
Shelby Cassandra Oct 23, 2012
So you like Bentley's? Basically that's what you just said.
Micheal Andrews Oct 23, 2012
I like interiors that have a Wow factor to them. Not interiors like this.
Micheal Andrews Oct 23, 2012
As a matter of fact I have. I was disappointed by it's boxy design and bland styling. But I guess some people like that sort of thing. Me? I like interiors that have bold styling, high quality materials, technologically advanced infotainment systems,
Shelby Cassandra Oct 23, 2012
You guys are so biased that you don't think that anything that comes out of America can be nice. Things have changed since the 90's.
Shelby Cassandra Oct 23, 2012
@Michael. Have you ever been inside a Lincoln? I own an 08 Lincoln and it is nicer than most of the German cars that I've been in. My Taurus is nicer than many of the BMW's I have been in.
Shelby Cassandra Oct 23, 2012
Alright Adam. 2008 Audi Q7 vs 2008 Lincoln Navi on KBB. Both with 50k miles. Both are 30k recommended retail value. It's difficult to believe car magazines because their views are so biased. They rate whoever gives them more money better.
Micheal Andrews Oct 23, 2012
This interior looks like it's from the 1980's. Everything is way too boxy. The leather feels more like vinyl then that of a Mercedes-Benz GL or Infiniti QX56. Step into either of those and you will be impressed. Step into this and prepare to barf.
Micheal Andrews Oct 23, 2012
Shelby let's be honest here... The lincoln navigator falls significantly short of the demands of today's luxury car buyers. So much so that I feel automakers such as Acura have even surpassed Lincoln on every level. And Acura isn't that luxurious...
Adam Beiersdorfer Oct 23, 2012
That same servicing according to Automobile mag will run a navi owner $1700... Please cite your sources for your rebuttals...
Adam Beiersdorfer Oct 23, 2012
Quick 0-60mph... Google earth navigation... The point being, not only does it have all the goodies... Like most Lincoln's, but its an immensely fun vehicle to drive.. That's what Euro vehicles have over American... Fun to drive and practical
Jordan Jackson Oct 23, 2012
I think we know who's gonna get banned next...
Adam Beiersdorfer Oct 23, 2012
Not too bad considering the 130-140 an hr shop fee for about any dealership... You want efficiency, get a TDI Q7... 20 city, 30 highway with over 400 lb ft of torque... Adaptive cruise control, adaptive suspension... 1200 watt Bang & Olufsen audio...
Adam Beiersdorfer Oct 23, 2012
4yrs and 50,000 miles of ownership costs a Q7 owner $850.00
Adam Beiersdorfer Oct 23, 2012
Hmm... Per Automobile Mag... 2011 Lincoln Navi has an 18% depreciation in the first year... And Audi has 6%... Most people spending 60k regardless what luxury brand it is will be spending more than a normal none luxury brand...
Shelby Cassandra Oct 23, 2012
And I hate to break it to you, but Audi parts cost more than practically anything from America.
Shelby Cassandra Oct 23, 2012
Compare a similar priced Audi with this. This Lincoln has better resale value. I don't know what you are talking about.
Adam Beiersdorfer Oct 23, 2012
That Q7 on YouTube I mentioned... S-Line Q7... That's a $75-80k vehicle.. So a fully loaded Navi... You show me how the Lincoln will win!
Adam Beiersdorfer Oct 23, 2012
And don't even get me started on resale value... Lincoln equals way drop... Last time I checked the day I pulled My Q5 and my A3 off the lot, they both had equity!
Adam Beiersdorfer Oct 23, 2012
Please go to car and drivers list of best vehicles this year, and for the last 4 or 5 years... Just about every segment has an Audi... It two... Lincoln? Take a guess... Audi has the lowest cost of ownership for actual driving Maintanance...
Shelby Cassandra Oct 23, 2012
Compare an equal priced vehicle and the Lincoln will be hands down better.
Shelby Cassandra Oct 23, 2012
@Adam. I'll admit the power stroke isn't the best engine out there, but that is only used on like 2 models. Still doesn't argue the fact that an Audi is better for the money spent (which it isn't).
Andy Clouthier Oct 23, 2012
Haha Adam likes wood
Adam Beiersdorfer Oct 23, 2012
Wow... Power stroke.. Auto correct is nuts today... And as to a numb feeling steering... Depends on the year... An if that feels numb, drive a newer Lexus LS for sensory deprivation like a numb steering
Adam Beiersdorfer Oct 23, 2012
Second... I have actual friends who are master mechanics for Ford... I hear what they say and I see what they bring home to work on... Every vehicle is designed with planned obsolescence... But the 6.0 power stole motors were terrible...
Adam Beiersdorfer Oct 23, 2012
Well since civility is out of the question... Let me phrase it a different way you may understand... It a chef can cook a high end meal for 1 client, chances are they can cook a burger for a dinner joint...
Shelby Cassandra Oct 23, 2012
And yes. Of course there are more Ford's that are in the mechanic shop than an Audi. Why? Because they sell many more cars than Audi does.
Erik Rudolph Oct 23, 2012
My dads friend owns an a8 my dad drove it said the steering felt numb
Shelby Cassandra Oct 23, 2012
The A8 is 140k at the top model. The base model is what, 70k? Clearly a vehicle that costs 140k will be nicer than one that is 60k. Use your brain for once in your life. I love Audi's but they are over prices an you cannot deny that.
Adam Beiersdorfer Oct 23, 2012
FYI... If you think I'm all talk about what makes a car or SUV... Please YouTube 2011 S-Line Q7 the very first video... It's my customers video showing me, and his sick Q7 we built... Don't just assume people have no experience or knowledge...
Adam Beiersdorfer Oct 23, 2012
Please give me more than badge engineering with a nicer interior standard... Is this too much to ask?
Adam Beiersdorfer Oct 23, 2012
Lets see... Radio unit that's pretty much unchanged for last 12 years... Uninspiring analog clock... My grandfather loves Lincoln's, but this simply is not a good enough change on the Expeditions...
Adam Beiersdorfer Oct 23, 2012
That's funny... I have to many mechanics friends who work for Ford to accept your word... All woods are not created the same... And being the guy that helped direct how $140,000 Audi A8's were built, I hope I know a good interior and wood combo
Adam Beiersdorfer Oct 23, 2012
By putting larger emblems, by using more shiny materials doesn't make it a better interior... Please review the SUPER cheap looking plastic showing the gear selection for starters... And I do enjoy my wood in my own Audi Q5... As for better built?
Shelby Cassandra Oct 23, 2012
@Adam. Clearly you're blind that Ford is nicer and more reliable than most euro brands, but the interior is most likely walnut. But obviously you don't know anything about wood either so it doesn't matter what I say.
Adam Beiersdorfer Oct 23, 2012
And Escalades and long versions are every bit the price of None Performance version of the Euro models...
Adam Beiersdorfer Oct 23, 2012
The one off special additions... All it takes is driving the Euro's to realize in a heartbeat they know what makes a great vehicle.. Domestics are getting beater, but they throw against the wall to see what sticks vs studying to get it right 1st time
Adam Beiersdorfer Oct 23, 2012
In 2010... The door handles falling off... How do I know this is accurate... I worked for GM selling Denalis and Caddies and left for the German brands... All it took was test driving a base model vehicle to see that everything was special, not just
Adam Beiersdorfer Oct 23, 2012
You are right, I became a Euro fan because of the disappointments of Domestics... I watched all our brands make cookie cutter joyless wonders... Or just good enough and not was worth the change... Did you know the Number 1 complaint of caddy owners
Zachary Maurer Oct 23, 2012
Range rove does have this beat though
Zachary Maurer Oct 23, 2012
So do I, I do hate to say it though, but he is right, but the Porsche isn't full size, the gl is double the price, and the q7 has a baby sized third row, and no cargo room
James McMahon Oct 23, 2012
I smell a European fanboy...
Adam Beiersdorfer Oct 23, 2012
Go sit in a Cayenne, or GL, or Q7, or Range Rover and come back and review this.... It is nice, prior to comparing it to the class standards for interiors...
Adam Beiersdorfer Oct 23, 2012
No offense, but that appears to be real Plywood... It could be the color, but this really doesn't hold a candle to other Luxury brands... For starters, that shifter looks as hollow as can be, and that smells like corner cutting to me...
Justin Brest Oct 23, 2012
imitators make this look, look cheap... that's real wood and real aluminum I believe. I think it looks great.
Brendan Bell Oct 23, 2012
It looks really nice, actually....
Chris Friend Oct 24, 2012
I like the Lincoln better.
Jordan Jackson Oct 24, 2012
I was just test driving the Denali yesterday, and they're pretty similar, except for the badges and a few gizmos
Ross Vermillion Oct 24, 2012
Denali has a little different interior but basically the same concept... Plus they both have a 6.2l v8 witch you can't go wrong
Tyler Chess Oct 24, 2012
Hate the fact they are column mounted.
Shelby Cassandra Oct 23, 2012
@Brandon. Right side of the steering column. Pretty much every automatic truck has it there.
Connor Scanlon Oct 23, 2012
Rather have a land rover
Michael Davidson Oct 23, 2012
Denalis are very nice vehicles, and almost identical to escapades.
Jackson Bond Oct 23, 2012
For a newer model, it's pretty similar to my grandma's 2003
Kyle Stevenson Oct 23, 2012
It's actually pretty different than a Denali I think
Tyler Tarbox Oct 23, 2012
Exact same as a Denali
Nick Benz Oct 23, 2012
This is an interior and I dont even like caddies. Notice the use of actual leather
Dylan Bruder Oct 23, 2012
Yeah these have been out a long time still very nice though I got to sit in an ext at the auto show down here
Colby Church Oct 23, 2012
I like this pretty good, but it could and will be better.